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Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by mustacheemperor »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #100
cm2012 wrote: post #58

Usually I am anti-internet stunts like this. The vast majority of boycotts are dumb wastes of time. That said, Reddit should have built better mod tools before making their api change. I think people complaining about not having 3rd party apps to browse reddit is "meh". But moderators need to be able to do their jobs.

Official stats showed that only 3% of moderation actions come from 3rd party apps, this was just a made up argument all along. https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/145bram/addressing_...

This leaves out a significant share of how moderators use the API, which is for bots and external services that augment moderation without actually doing the moderating.

Example, a mod at /r/music remarked last week that they’ve been paying a few bucks a month to host a server for some additional features for years. It’s common to use some automation to summon mods in a discord so someone near a computer can execute the moderating, since the mobile tools are so limited.

And ofc as other uses pointed out, that’s 3% of a sum including the vast number of auto moderator mod actions taken on the site, which are not really human originated at all.

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Post by asd88 »

justinhj wrote: post #197

Forgive me if I'm making a simplistic reading of this, but it seems the CEO has said that whilst apps and bots are making some good money, Reddit is losing money. Assuming Reddit has already taken cost saving measures (with 2000 staff maybe not), then how can they continue as a business losing money? I wonder if a model would work where all monetization of api calls has to be done through Reddit and the API itself, a…

They can stop losing money by slashing their workforce and stopping working on features nobody wants (e.g. chat, an official mobile app, etc).

The core site functionality has not changed in over a decade, there’s no need to try to be Instagram.

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Post by kevincox »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #220
microtonal wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but I may be wrong, but isn't it quite hard for Reddit clients to handle this? They'd have to project how many API requests their users are going to make and if they underestimate it's potentially costing them millions. Also, it's difficult to modify app subscription prices constantly, especially for existing subscribers? They could offer in-app purchases of API requests, but that results in quit a bad UX. If R…

Pretty easy to handle if you don't buy a monthly subscription but instead buy X API calls and can reload when you run out.

That doesn't sound like a great experience for users.

1. They don't directly know what actions are causing how many API calls, so it is unclear what they are buying.

2. It creates the incentive to use the service less to save money.

3. They aren't directly in control of what API calls the app makes, so there is some disconnect. (What if the developer decides to preload some info because it creates a better experience?)

Generally the user should be purchasing based on the value it offers them, not the cost to provide the service.

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Post by whyenot »

bottlepalm wrote: post #129
raincole wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The app they’re burning down Reddit over is Lmao. Do you even realize what all these are about...? Reddit's pricing API policy is making ALL the apps unsustaniable. It's not "the app". > Facebook is $200 ARPU in the US. Yeah so? Only users and mods in the US matter and fuck the rest of the world? Plus Reddit is, surprisingly, not Facebook. I don't even understand why you're comparing them. Actually I believe many p…

If you ran a website, would you allow 3rd parties to reproduce and sell your data for free?

It’s not your data. It’s your user’s data.

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Post by cragfar »

atleastoptimal wrote: post #16

Is the inevitable fate of any social media site to be antagonistic to its most dedicated users?

This is 99% manufactured drama by the power mods wanting to be able to keep modding 100+ subreddits with their 3rd party tools and AI companies wanting to mine reddit data for free. The fact that Spez has let them do it for this long has probably put him in the hot seat.

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Post by TylerE »

foobarbecue wrote: post #209
GolfPopper wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there's a fundamental conflict, in that these network effect businesses are terrible as for-profit businesses. They're of great value to those who use them, and indirectly to society as a whole. Yet there's no good way to monetize them (nor does there need to be monetization), and trying to do so damages the functionality of the network. Both Twitter and Reddit would likely be better off (from the POV of the…

Exactly. I'm headed back to wikipedia, where I found community as a teenager. I think you can draw a direct line from wikimedia's nonprofit status to 22 years of greatness and steady improvement.

Eh, the Foundation has a lot of bloat and solicits donations far above actual operating costs.
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