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Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Maybe if we built more of those, more people would be within walking distance of them.

Trains for local transportation make no sense. Trams for high-throughput and buses for everything else is the only sensible thing for local public transport.

> Trains for local transportation make no sense.

Plenty of people take trains for local transportation every day.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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> [...] blows what Mercedes has built out of the water. Mercedes FSD prototype, 10 years ago: https://youtu.be/G5kJ_8JAp-w

>Mercedes FSD prototype, 10 years ago: Mercedes FSD prototype 1986 to 1994 via the 400 Million Euro EU funded Prometheus project https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I39sxwYKlEE It's funny that German, and Italian researchers and car makers had the early lead on self driving tech and then lost it by shelving the tech. Oof. Which reinforces my earlier point I made in another thread here today, that innovation only happens…

>It's funny that German, and Italian researchers and car makers had the early lead on self driving tech and then lost it by shelving the tech. Oof.

Actually a very common occurrance. I don't think FSD on todays level was possible in '94 and the projects failure was inevitable unless it had been continously funded for at least 15 years more.

>innovation only happens in the EU as long as it's government funded and as soon as the funding stops

Seems like a bad example. Funding stopped because the technology didn't work.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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> Liability isn't generally something that is granted, it's either there or not. If Tesla FSD causes an accident, they can absolutely be sued for that in the US. That’s not what liability means here. Assuming the story is true, it means Mercedes is responsible for damages caused when the system is engaged and the users know that when they buy the car. Being sued afterwards is not the same thing. > The reason that "Te…

Yes, because an accident is when there are personal injuries, otherwise it’s a collision.

I’m not aware of any definition of accident that says personal injuries have to occur. But sure, you can replace accident here with collision or contact events. Also, airbag deployment doesn’t automatically mean there are injuries either.

Point is these types of events are not being reported by Tesla, while every other company testing self driving technology (specially ones that have CA DMV permit to do so) are reporting them.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Friendly reminder that this system is HEAVILY limited, with the following restrictions: - Must be under 40 mph - Only during the daylight and only on certain highways - CANNOT be operated on city/country streets - CANNOT be operated in construction zones - CANNOT be during heavy rain or fog or flood roads And for comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjZSZTKYEU4 Tesla FSD navigating the complex city streets of…

Even considering its heavy limitations, the Mercedes system is miles better than the Tesla, because it is actually useful. You can actually turn on the system and do your email, or take a nap. Yes, the 40 mph limitation on highways seems to make it useless, but many highways get congested to the point where you are not going over 40 mph anyways, and those are the times when it is most frustrating to drive. And regard…

> And regarding the FSD, most youtube videos I have seen run into human intervention within 20 minutes or so. Going 60 minutes without human intervention is certainly possible if you get a bit lucky but that does not mean you should take your eyes off the road for a second. FSD still has to be constantly supervised, which makes it of very limited utility. At this stage it is still a fun experiment at most.

Are there equivalent videos for Mercedes?

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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post #43

Friendly reminder that this system is HEAVILY limited, with the following restrictions: - Must be under 40 mph - Only during the daylight and only on certain highways - CANNOT be operated on city/country streets - CANNOT be operated in construction zones - CANNOT be during heavy rain or fog or flood roads And for comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjZSZTKYEU4 Tesla FSD navigating the complex city streets of…

Even considering its heavy limitations, the Mercedes system is miles better than the Tesla, because it is actually useful. You can actually turn on the system and do your email, or take a nap. Yes, the 40 mph limitation on highways seems to make it useless, but many highways get congested to the point where you are not going over 40 mph anyways, and those are the times when it is most frustrating to drive. And regard…

Autopilot works fine in highways under 40 miles per hour. You still pay some attention but that’s also true with this, if traffic goes above 40 mph you have to take control in 2 seconds while Autopilot is more gradual

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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post #43

Friendly reminder that this system is HEAVILY limited, with the following restrictions: - Must be under 40 mph - Only during the daylight and only on certain highways - CANNOT be operated on city/country streets - CANNOT be operated in construction zones - CANNOT be during heavy rain or fog or flood roads And for comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjZSZTKYEU4 Tesla FSD navigating the complex city streets of…

Can you explain how - Must be under 40 mph - Only during the daylight and only on certain highways - CANNOT be operated on city/country streets doesn't exclude all roads? Where I live, highways all have a speed limit of 65-75 mph, and all streets with a speed limit of 40 or below are city our county roads. So where can you actually use this?

It does. The system is useless. Not all freeways are even allowed.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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post #43

Friendly reminder that this system is HEAVILY limited, with the following restrictions: - Must be under 40 mph - Only during the daylight and only on certain highways - CANNOT be operated on city/country streets - CANNOT be operated in construction zones - CANNOT be during heavy rain or fog or flood roads And for comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjZSZTKYEU4 Tesla FSD navigating the complex city streets of…

Can you explain how - Must be under 40 mph - Only during the daylight and only on certain highways - CANNOT be operated on city/country streets doesn't exclude all roads? Where I live, highways all have a speed limit of 65-75 mph, and all streets with a speed limit of 40 or below are city our county roads. So where can you actually use this?

In a traffic jam. Which is most of LAs roads at least some of the time.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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post #43

Friendly reminder that this system is HEAVILY limited, with the following restrictions: - Must be under 40 mph - Only during the daylight and only on certain highways - CANNOT be operated on city/country streets - CANNOT be operated in construction zones - CANNOT be during heavy rain or fog or flood roads And for comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjZSZTKYEU4 Tesla FSD navigating the complex city streets of…

Yea you will struggle to find a single video of drive pilot where it’s not driven by a representative from Mercedes.

In those, you can see the system disengage the second it doesn’t have a vehicle to follow at slow speeds right in front of it (like when the vehicle ahead changes lanes).

Useless.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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post #43

Friendly reminder that this system is HEAVILY limited, with the following restrictions: - Must be under 40 mph - Only during the daylight and only on certain highways - CANNOT be operated on city/country streets - CANNOT be operated in construction zones - CANNOT be during heavy rain or fog or flood roads And for comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjZSZTKYEU4 Tesla FSD navigating the complex city streets of…

Can you explain how - Must be under 40 mph - Only during the daylight and only on certain highways - CANNOT be operated on city/country streets doesn't exclude all roads? Where I live, highways all have a speed limit of 65-75 mph, and all streets with a speed limit of 40 or below are city our county roads. So where can you actually use this?

From what it sounds like, when you are in a traffic jam you use it and then the second that traffic jam ends you immediately have to take control.

Ngl that sounds like it requires more attention than autopilot, if you’re not doing anything and then have to take full control that sounds like it could lead to an absurdly unsafe outcome

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Maybe if we built more of those, more people would be within walking distance of them.

Trains for local transportation make no sense. Trams for high-throughput and buses for everything else is the only sensible thing for local public transport.

Trams and metros however are quite reasonable.
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