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It'd be better if 3M received a penalty (severe but manageable over time) and mandate to set a higher bar for industry practices (or risk further consequences).
Govt is far too slow to regulate.
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What statute or case law supports this distinction between material goods and business units? It seems reasonable to me that you could absolutely purchase a business unit from a bankrupt company without any associated liabilities. Of course, you'd pay the full price for it (as compared to the discount you'd be able to negotiate if you accepted liabilities). And, of course, the proceeds of the sale would go to the cre…
I am not a lawyer, but here is a decent summary [1]. The legal term you would be looking for is "successor liability". Liability can be servered from a operational buisness unit, but it basically requires the court intervention to formalize the seperation. Liability follows the functional business so that sale can't be used to evade liability. Imagine if this wasnt the case. 3M could take on 100B debt, sell the bussn…
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A lawsuit is about harm . If it's a civil lawsuit, you can absolutely be sued for doing things which you know to be harmful to others, even if they aren't crimes. That's what a tort is. The purpose of such private lawsuits it to give people a legal mechanism for redress that doesn't involve physically attacking each other or trying to legislate everything.
>know to be harmful to others This is the key fact. I had a look at the evidence, and I'm not seeing any harm myself. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per-_and_polyfluoroalkyl_subst... Taking an example of developmental problems, there is this study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4344877/ but it doesn't seem to have been replicated, at least in mice: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC53456…
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A plain cast-iron skillet works flawlessly for pancakes and crepes, FWIW.
Cast-iron is a huge pain to maintain in my experience, but ceramic pans are a good non-carcinogenic alternative.
People mostly really get into trouble when they try to stew tomatoes or something like that (I just keep a steel pan around for really acidic stuff).
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once cast iron is properly seasoned it maintains very well, and can last for generations! and they are dirt cheap to boot. but yes there is a little learning curve. they are heavy, so use two hands when handling. it must be seasoned (many come preseasoned) and never put it in a dishwasher for example -- but when properly seasoned the nonstick properties are so effective food just rinses off. i encourage everyone who…
I also got a high carbon steel pan which is not as thick and heavy but has all the other properties of cast iron. I had a few “ceramic” pans but inevitably they become scratched (and useless) after a year or two in everyday use
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What is your goal with this comment? > I had a look at the evidence The evidence isn't difficult to search for, and your 30 second "look" at two sources from the Wikipedia article doesn't exactly amount to a meta analysis.
If you can post that meta-analysis that would be helpful, thanks. My goal is to find the evidence. It seems you have it, so it would be useful if you could post it. Generally if there is a meta-analysis or robust evidence it will be in the wikipedia article. If not, I'd love for you to add it (or I can). Evidence shouldn't be hard to find...
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Literally just cook with it. The main thing with everything except for teflon pans is you need to bring them up to temp before cooking, and you need to use some fat of some kind (olive oil, butter, whatever). The oil itself will provide the "non stick" until it's seasoned, and it'll also do the seasoning. You can waste a bunch of time doing seasoning as a separate step (light coating of oil, bring up to smoke point,…
> Literally just cook with it. Lmao. Hapless beginner follows your advice, decides to scramble some eggs on day 1 with his badly-factory-seasoned Lodge pan. Egg glue now encrusts his shiny new pan. What do? Wash with soap? BAD NOOB - that's bad for the seasoning. Scrape it off with steel wool? BAD NOOB - that's even worse for the seasoning. (If you do this, fellow noob, I think oil + a scrubber sponge got me out of t…
Source: Been cooking exclusively on carbon steel, cast iron and stainless for years.
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We've worked to reduce plastics & chemicals in our house. Some things we do: * We use silk dental floss (we use Radius) * We use glass storage containers instead of Tupperware * For cooking, we use All-Clad. * If a recipe calls for non-stick (e.g., pancakes) I use a braiser from Le Creuset, which works reasonably well. (Edited: formatting)
A plain cast-iron skillet works flawlessly for pancakes and crepes, FWIW.
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A plain cast-iron skillet works flawlessly for pancakes and crepes, FWIW.
Cast-iron is a huge pain to maintain in my experience, but ceramic pans are a good non-carcinogenic alternative.
(this is a pain when you have parrots, because one overheated pan, and all birds in the house - big and small - will die)
As one example, I bought some hexclad pans. They had very strong wording about their use of teflon:
https://hexclad.com/blogs/posts/pfoa-free
when you try to figure out what their coating is, you are told:
"We’ve used a high-grade non-toxic Japanese coating infused with diamond dust for extra toughness." (https://hexclad.com/pages/hexclad-science)
and... well keep digging.
Finally you can find this:
Q: Are your pans free of PTFE?
A: Our pans are PFOA free but contain some PTFE. PTFE is in over 95% of all nonstick cookware including our ceramic-based nonstick. PTFE is safe and inert. In fact, it is used in surgical matches meshes, dental implants and heart stents which are all implanted in the body. We do not use PFOA chemicals and other chemicals that gave many other nonstick pans a bad name. Why do we use some PTFE? Sadly, non-PTFE nonstick cookware does not work well for long periods of time. In fact, in our tests, the largest non-PTFE nonstick in the world only held up for 45 minutes of consecutive use.
https://hexcladcommercial.com/pages/frequently-asked-questio...
What's especially ridiculous is that the "good" hexclad sets you can get at costco also put this coating on the BOTTOM of the pan, against the flame or burner! High temperature is the achilles heel for these chemicals.
took them back.
EDIT: also https://www.consumerreports.org/toxic-chemicals-substances/y...
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> Run studies as the use of the chemicals scales up and start raising warnings early so the company has time to collect more information and adapt formulas or applications Part of the issue, and why this is 'existential', is that 3M appears to have known about the issues and deliberately hid the studies from the government or downplayed them. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per-_and_polyfluoroalkyl_subst... citing…
If you depend on the company making the chemical to do studies and be transparent about them, of course the reaction time will be bad. You need independent studies and environmental monitoring. The blame game gives the politicians and bureaucrats a nice excuse for inaction, and not much else. And 50 years later it just looks ridiculous. Sure, if someone does something bad, blame may be a part of the response. But you…
Certainly. Clearly so.
As to my point, how do we change things? How do we put that into place?
> The blame game gives the politicians and bureaucrats a nice excuse for inaction, and not much else.
I didn't make my point clear enough.
The blame game results in "much else" - corporate profit. Enough profit they can fund efforts to tilt the system in their favor.
It's not just inaction. The Supreme Court is actively weakening, for example, EPA power to enforce Clean Water Act. Even something like Ryan Zinke's order to lift the ban on lead bullets in national wildlife refuges was an active action which increased lead pollution in the environment, to favor of cheaper bullets.