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Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks

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Post by vivegi »

alephnerd wrote: post #48
vkdelta wrote: post #40

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Above ranking does not make sense at all. Is CBSE is so low ranked, why is prevalent board in Indian and schools abroad which favors CBSE? ICSE is more all round syllabus which makes sense but does not make it difficult or higher ranked than CBSE.

I'm just speaking from a content perspective. I'm American born and raised, but often used Indian STEM textbooks to prep for STEM related AP exams as well as competition exams like USAPHo, AIMEs, etc in High School. In my experience for STEM, JEE >>>> ICSE >> CBSE All programs will accept the CBSE (it's exclusionary not to), but the CBSE curricula does lag. Either way, for admissions here in the US, IB/AP+SAT would b…

There are also schools in India (mostly in the large metros) that directly offer the IB and Cambridge Assessments for high school. They follow the same international curriculum.

Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks

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Post by thunkshift1 »

SAS_SBS wrote: post #123
SpaceManNabs wrote: post #79

Kinda wild to see comments on here saying that India's slide into religious fascism isn't a big deal. "We/Indians don't politicize science" "There are many education authorities" I think this is only affecting a particular grade, but we already have seen the slow rollout of other efforts. You can't normalize politicians saying stuff like "our ancient civilization had nuclear energy". edit: surprised that I wasn't imm…

Most Indians are in fact happy about that slide, given that 80%+ of the country are Hindus. What a shame!

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Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks

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ta_vf7xjd34cc wrote: post #238
godelski wrote: post #219

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This is complicated. I mean, first you gotta ask what India even is. From a purely border perspective (this is the important context) it is no different than any other country[0] (play videos for other regions). Current borders only exist since 1950. The longest stable period of Indian borders (and largest) were actually under English occupation. Prior to this the largest empire was the Maurya Empire, which covered P…

> you gotta ask what India even is One, or all, of the following: * the subcontinent * the civilization and peoples that made the subcontinent its home * the borders and the political entity in control of those borders (past, present, future) The British did not create the civilization or the religions they found when they landed here. The didn't build the temples, or compose the Vedas, the Upanishads, the Itihasas,…

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Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks

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Post by kamaal »

godelski wrote: post #183
rhaway84773 wrote: post #114

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> The story goes that Hindus had nuclear energy 10,000 years ago, but filthy foreigners corrupted Mother India. I’ve never understood this kind of messaging. You see it in all sorts of supremacists. But how is it a credit to you and your ancestors that they had the ability to create nuclear power or fly, etc and then they just lost it! That’s a sign of deep shame. The particular group of people you’re claiming are su…

It's also like bragging that you were a highly advanced civilization and got conquered/occupied by a bunch of dumb savages. There's a few more prominent countries that follow similar narratives and I agree with you that it sounds far more embarrassing than boasting. And if you're superior then why haven't you caught up or surpassed the others? I can understand if this is like As to why it works, I completely understa…

>>It's also like bragging that you were a highly advanced civilization and got conquered/occupied by a bunch of dumb savages.

They explain that part by using the idea of 'traitors'. They are often the minorities of that land(whom they currently hate, and serve as a nice punching bag in the whole process, and in the overall scheme of hate process).

The 'traitor' part is like a constant theme in these stories. Super advanced ancestors, but also very nice, accommodating to everyone. Some savages from the outside invade, traitors help them from inside. Savages win, they are colonised. Traitors benefit. The monuments, symbols and anything to do with the traitors is now demonised and the 'treason' is used as a casus belli for a genocide/ethnic cleansing.

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Post by alephnerd »

vivegi wrote: post #241
alephnerd wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm just speaking from a content perspective. I'm American born and raised, but often used Indian STEM textbooks to prep for STEM related AP exams as well as competition exams like USAPHo, AIMEs, etc in High School. In my experience for STEM, JEE >>>> ICSE >> CBSE All programs will accept the CBSE (it's exclusionary not to), but the CBSE curricula does lag. Either way, for admissions here in the US, IB/AP+SAT would b…

There are also schools in India (mostly in the large metros) that directly offer the IB and Cambridge Assessments for high school. They follow the same international curriculum.

I mentioned that in my comment already.

> the kind of person targeting American undergraduate from India can afford to study IB+AP.

Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks

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Post by kamaal »

RajT88 wrote: post #134
sriram_malhar wrote: post #52

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Ah, you are not reading the situation right. The fascist elements have hijacked the term "science". Nowadays, it is science if you say that cowling protects against atomic radiation ([1]) or you say that ancient India had interplanetary travel ([2]) .. note that the latter was at an official track at the Indian Science Congress on science in ancient India. If the vedas said something, that is science. If the white ma…

It is wild to me that one of the next great world powers is shooting itself in the foot like this with regards to science education. Surely that runs counter to their goals, right?

>>Surely that runs counter to their goals, right?

Power is always in comparison to something. You are powerful compared to somebody. So as long as they have enough to exercise control over minorities of India and feel nice about it they are powerful enough.

The whole idea of western style power over the whole world is not something they imagine as power. Or at least proactively work towards.

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Post by kamaal »

witchesindublin wrote: post #216
renewiltord wrote: post #182

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Can't be Tamil, that's a Dravidian language - not Indo-European. It's usually Sanskrit because that's the High Language.

Tamils also have a similar concept.

Tamils mostly take pride in the age of their language and its continued use till date. They also make their identity around this. They don't claim that every language originated from theirs or that computers need to be programmed with Tamil.

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Post by MagicMoonlight »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #77

India has been getting high on its own supply for a few years now. The narrative is that all knowledge originated in ancient Indian texts and was stolen by the west. Even the ISRO chief made a comment in this vein a few days back. Cultures that keep looking at imagined past glories, imo, are destined to become static and falter.

And yet they literally shit in the street. It’s one of the funniest contradictions in human history.

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

SJetKaran wrote: post #226
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #90

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if each state can just ignore the NCERT curriculum, and if the NCERT curriculum itself is educationally insufficient (not teaching evolution or the periodic table in a school curriculum makes that curriculum a failure), then what is the point of the NCERT curriculum?

So, India has different systems of curriculum, at national level CBSE/NCERT and ICSE, and many states have their own. Each school individually is affiliated to one of the curriculums.

right, and we are discussing the curriculum at the national level, which is educationally insufficient

why have an educationally insufficient NCERT curriculum?

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