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Re: Ableton Push 3

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I only meant the computer part, not the controller.

As an electronic musician, I will gladly pay a premium for any device that reduces the number of boxes and wires I have to set up at every gig. (As well as reduce the number of things I have to turn on, which might decide not to turn on.)

Is redundancy when touring something you value as well?

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Those VSTs won’t run on a push 3 either. Of course ableton comes with a pretty good array of instruments and effects, so maybe this isn’t that big a deal.

Logic definitely has more plugins for way less money though.

FL's default plugins embarrass them both. I haven't used any Image-Line software in a dog's age, but I really miss the Fruity Loops compressor sometimes...

Re: Ableton Push 3

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As of today it can run Logic Pro. The feature parity is there, most people consider using one or the other a matter of personal preference.

> The feature parity is there, most people consider using one or the other a matter of personal preference. For musicians (professional or semi-pro) that use Logic on a laptop the feature parity is nowhere there. They depend on tens of AUs ("VSTs") that aren't available on the iPad for example, on top of lots of other stuff.

FabFilter? Eventide? Pianoteq? Sugarbytes? It’s starting to get decent out there.

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It takes time to fix this stuff. It always has. I don’t know why. Core audio is the API. You still need a driver for the audio interface. If it’s USB class compliant, then you get a driver for free. Not all devices are class compliant (for good reasons). You would be limited to the feature set provided by the USB audio class spec.

That’s true, but not working on Mac for a high end sound card is pretty catastrophic. I can’t think of any reputable brand besides maybe Antelope that has ever been straight up broken like that for any significant length of time. There would be riots on the audio forums if UAD or Motu or anyone else had that happen. I’m not an apple apologist, I use a PC for music production, it’s just surprising to me is all. I’m cu…

MOTU drivers didn’t work for months when some recent macOS came out. I think it was Catalina.

Audio people “never” upgrading is a bit extreme. But it is still extremely common to delay updates until you know that your gear works with the new OS. We’re not necessarily talking about some ancient version of Pro Tools here, but maybe a couple plugins you use that are getting long in the tooth. Maybe you would like to upgrade them, but you’d need to pay.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Did anybody find any references to the materials on the outside of the Push 3? I loved the Push 2 but if it got any amount of sunlight on it the rubber outer shell would sweat and become this sticky rubber mess. I don't have a fully protected area to keep the device in and it became so gross it was unpleasant to use and I stopped using it. A lot of people complained but they didn't deal with it very well, and directe…

its fixed

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Does Logic Pro support controller extensions? If they do, they could add "support" with an unofficial plugin like Bitwig or Reaper does. Something tells me the iPad+Push experience wouldn't really be a gamechanger though, at least right now.

Agree, I think it will be limited. However, I could see a niche where it’s a good way to play your tracks live. Maybe you’d have to bounce some tracks in advance if they aren’t iOS compatible for whatever reason.

I want to interpret this charitably, but I've travelled with touring musicians before (even Mac-obsessed ones) and none of their setups are iPad-ible. You might be able to get it to work with a 1i1o DAC for clean audio output, but... genuinely nobody I know would bother with that. The requirements for live performance are brutal, even this standalone Push would be borderline suicide to rely on for a show.

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The problem is that pure MIDI controllers are often not very good. When you pay $2,000 for a synthesizer, it can have a very good keyboard.

This used to be true, but I don't think it is any more. The Kawai VPC1, for example, contains an incredibly nice action, costs $2,500, and is a pure MIDI controller. https://kawaius.com/product/vpc1/

Yeah, there are a couple exceptions. Roland used to make a popular master keyboard. My main question is why someone would want a $2500 controller, when at that price you could get something like a CP88.

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The problem is that pure MIDI controllers are often not very good. When you pay $2,000 for a synthesizer, it can have a very good keyboard.

If you pay $1000+ for a MIDI controller it can have a very good keyboard as well.

It’s harder to source MIDI controllers in that price range, compared to synths.

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If you really want one of these things, and you use Ableton, get this one. I've used a Native Instruments Maschine and and Akai APC, and they just don't integrate that well with Ableton. But I've found I end up using a keyboard (Native Instruments Komplete) most of the time, even for drums, and that does integrate well.

I picked up an MPC X for a great deal some years ago but I find that using it feels like using a limited DAW instead of inspiring much creativity. As an engineer as well, I always have the urge to try to preserve and record my noodling with the ability to recreate it and perhaps change out synths, so the MPC works decently well as a midi and CV hub / router that can record, but I can’t say I’ve ever had tons of fun w…

I strongly feel that with the more year that I acquire, the less creative I become. I don’t think it’s an age thing that slowed me down, it’s an over abundance of options. The few times I’ve been stuck with just my laptop and a copy of FL studio, the old creative me comes back.

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I was questioning your “Apple’s a phone company” claim, figuring services long ago surpassed iPhone sales, but in fact, services sits at about 30% of their revenue and the iPhone sits at about 55%, which is roughly 5% growth from last year!

Services may be at 30% but their profit margin for them is >70%, more than double of what they have for hardware.

I think they were conceding the point :>
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