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TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by nkjnlknlk »

coldcode wrote: post #215
sergiotapia wrote: post #184

That's a shame because in a world of artificially inflated 10-minute youtube videos, I really enjoy tiktok's to the point short clips. If I want to see a review or a how-to or similar, I go to tiktok first because they are from normal dudes and not big channels that artificially pad their videos to 10 minutes for the ads.

And TikTok has no influencers, sure? At least on Youtube, you can see who is paying them to shill you. Every video online is potentially there to convince you to buy something, believe something, or motivate you to do something to make the creator money.

I find the TikTok algorithm (perhaps not the platform) to be superior at giving me content I like/need and from creators that are (seemingly) authentic. I've seen far more diversity on TikTok than YouTube and due to there being no thumbnails or titles there is less clickbait.

That being said, TikTok's search capability is kind of useless.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by anigbrowl »

edgyquant wrote: post #89
jameshart wrote: post #88

The actual legislation: https://leg.mt.gov/bills/2023/billpdf/SB0419.pdf Seems facially unconstitutional. Will maybe force a proper court decision on whether the Bills of Attainder clause applies to corporations. Why are legislators so focused on banning TikTok, rather than regulating whatever it is that TikTok does that they don't like? Don't like data about your constituents being in the possession of a company wit…

Countries have the right to ban foreign adversaries. US companies are a different problem with different solutions.

Montana isn't a country.

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Post by marianatom »

knd775 wrote: post #239
marianatom wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After narrowly lagging behind China in 2022, Mexico officially became the US’s largest trading partner at the start of 2023, according to new US Census Bureau figures. https://www.gfmag.com/magazine/may-2023/mexico-overtakes-chi... China should fall pretty quickly behind Europe as well this year. China's economy has fallen off the cliff - 80% decrease in foreign orders, 20% official youth unemployment rate, 50% reduc…

> China made that very clear when they announced unlimited friendship with Russia last year. To be clear, this was before the war and China has since walked it back a bit.

4/23/23: China's cooperation with Europe and other nations is "endless" just as its ties with Russia are "unlimited", China's envoy to the European Union said https://www.reuters.com/world/chinas-cooperation-with-europe...

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by jareklupinski »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #180
lykahb wrote: post #172

I hope that this shifts the Overton window toward discussion about banning facebook, twitter and instagram. They play a major role in exacerbating the divisions in the society and the rising suicide rate. Those domestic platforms do a better job at undermining the national security than any foreign force could dream of.

How do you reconcile this position with the First Amendment?

From the Constitution:

> Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

There is nothing there that explicitly grants private enterprises the right to store, sell, and manipulate your free speech.

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Post by nicenewtemp84 »

nicenewtemp84 wrote: post #232
krapp wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Freedom of speech is recognized as a universal human right throughout the world, and American political philosophy considers many rights mentioned in the Constitution as applying universally as well.

What are you talking about? Tons of European countries have zero concept of freedom of speech.

For those that don't believe me, go try to have a discussion as skeptic of accuracy of Jewish deaths during WW2. I'm not saying they're right, but there are several things you can flat out go to jail for in the several countries just for talking about.

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Post by activiation »

avn2109 wrote: post #99

One underappreciated aspect of this is ban is that anyone who wants Tiktok will just go download it in Wyoming or Idaho etc, as it seems to be merely a ban on downloading the app, and not a ban on Tiktok traffic itself. So the ban will have near zero actual impact in practice (even if it somehow makes it into effect). Furthermore, it's unclear if the web app of Tiktok will be affected, or if it's only a ban on the mo…

> anyone who wants Tiktok will just go download it in Wyoming or Idaho

Isn't it easier and cheaper to use a vpn?

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by mrighele »

barathr wrote: post #195

I wrote up a quick analysis last night here: https://ioc.exchange/@invisv/110387246627189198 Here are the takeaways: * It'd be easy for Apple and Google to prevent downloads of TikTok for most users, which would also include app updates, as they have a significant amount of knowledge of users' locations and could prevent most users in Montana -- even those using a VPN -- from downloading the app or updating it. * It'…

> It'd be very difficult for Montana to enforce the other piece of the TikTok ban

I don't know if it is technically and legally feasible in Montana, but you "just" need to block the endpoints that the app uses to fetch the data. It is not foolproof, but given that ByteDance probably has interest in keeping doing business in the rest of the USA, at least for now, it would be fineable in case it was trying to avoid the block.

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