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Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by lowkey_ »

Convolutional wrote: post #185

I should point out to those not from the US that this is how Americans view the US. There is a lot of crime, the government and NGOs are on the side of the criminals etc. It is up voted to the top as well, with agreement in the replies, this is how Americans view the US. The US incarcerates more people than China, despite China having more than four times as many people, but the view obviously is the incarceration ra…

High incarceration rate makes sense when the US has a high crime rate. I don't understand why anyone thinks incarceration rate should not be correlated or would not be correlate to crime rate.

Incarcerating criminals isn't the issue, having so many criminals is the issue.

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by op00to »

michaelt wrote: post #227
ryandrake wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea, I'm really surprised at all this defense of these corporations. They produced and sold a defective product, which is causing monetary damages to cities as they need to deal with the predictable exploit of that defect. I'm sure the city is prepared to show that these damages are a result of the companies' negligence. If I owned one of these defective cars, I'd also be keen on participating in a lawsuit against th…

> Yea, I'm really surprised at all this defense of these corporations. Well, the government does already set a bunch of standards for cars. And before the car leaves the factory, it's fine for the government to be issuing mandatory standards for lights, spare parts, seatbelts, crash safety, pedestrian protection, fuel economy and so on. But the government having a second, secret set of requirements? That can change w…

There's no federal standard that says cars must not explode in a fireball during refueling. If one make of car started exploding, you'd see the federal government get involved very quickly.

To me, that seems like a responsible way to react to an irregular situation.

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by endisneigh »

op00to wrote: post #242
michaelt wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yea, I'm really surprised at all this defense of these corporations. Well, the government does already set a bunch of standards for cars. And before the car leaves the factory, it's fine for the government to be issuing mandatory standards for lights, spare parts, seatbelts, crash safety, pedestrian protection, fuel economy and so on. But the government having a second, secret set of requirements? That can change w…

There's no federal standard that says cars must not explode in a fireball during refueling. If one make of car started exploding, you'd see the federal government get involved very quickly. To me, that seems like a responsible way to react to an irregular situation.

The cars are not exploding. The government has no reason to car about your private property. Should bike manufacturers be sued as well for the rampant bike theft that happens in virtually every city in America? Gimme a break

Affected owners should put together a class action and force a recall on the affected cars. As for those who actually got their cars stolen - they should take that up with the police and their insurance.

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by renlo »

Convolutional wrote: post #185

I should point out to those not from the US that this is how Americans view the US. There is a lot of crime, the government and NGOs are on the side of the criminals etc. It is up voted to the top as well, with agreement in the replies, this is how Americans view the US. The US incarcerates more people than China, despite China having more than four times as many people, but the view obviously is the incarceration ra…

If China executes prisoners who would be imprisoned in the US, is it a fair to compare the number of incarcerated in the US and China [1]? In the US they get a lengthy prison sentence, increasing the moving sum of incarcerated for the US, in China they are shot, decreasing the moving sum of the incarcerated for China.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_offences_in_China

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by g42gregory »

Maybe this is naive, but wouldn't the solution be not to sell the cars in Baltimore? It's not that large of a market and there are local car manufacturers there as well. Maybe require in the user agreement not to drive to Baltimore either, similar to the rental car agreements that don't allow for the cars to be driven to Mexico?

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by op00to »

taylodl wrote: post #109
JustSomeNobody wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I leave my door open and someone steals my TV, it's not my fault I don't have a TV anymore.

Legally it is. If there was no signs of forced entry then you're not going to be compensated for your loss and the police aren't going to pursue any suspects. But that's not what this case is about. To use your analogy, imagine KIA were a lock maker such as Kwikset. You bought their lock to install on your front door. You locked your door and left the house. You came back and your TV was gone, with no signs of forced…

> Legally it is. If there was no signs of forced entry then you're not going to be compensated for your loss and the police aren't going to pursue any suspects.

This is not correct. The police will take a report, and your insurance (if you have it) will cover your TV even if you left the door wide open. Even if you were drunk. Even if you weren't drunk. There is no clause in standard insurance policies or our laws and statutes that failure to lock shit up somehow makes it free for anyone else to take.

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by plagiarist »

tohnjitor wrote: post #236
plagiarist wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a false dichotomy version of what they're suggesting. And what do you think is the difference?

The difference is the US has more people who commit violent crimes.

Why is that?

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by MavisBacon »

local_crmdgeon wrote: post #143
ravensfan69 wrote: post #139

I live in Baltimore, in a pretty "good" part of town where most of the young professionals and Hopkins hospital staff live. I know 4 different people who've had cars stolen in the past 24 months. In 3 of these cases the perpetrators were teenagers, and in 2 of these cases they brandished guns. Only one of these thefts were Hyundai/Kia-related, and the thief punched my buddy in the face during the theft. Many others I…

Yeah, at some point in Chicago and Baltimore people figured out that career criminals vote, and will vote in their own interests. Very few people vote in local elections anyway, so they've managed to elect a ton of prosecutors who promise not to prosecute. Feels like the 70s in Urban America repeating itself. I feel bad for the older Black population in Baltimore. They busted ass for the last 50 years and they got to…

Most career criminals have a felony conviction under their belt and thus would not be able to vote, so this does not make a whole lot of sense

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by op00to »

kayodelycaon wrote: post #165
taylodl wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Legally it is. If there was no signs of forced entry then you're not going to be compensated for your loss and the police aren't going to pursue any suspects. But that's not what this case is about. To use your analogy, imagine KIA were a lock maker such as Kwikset. You bought their lock to install on your front door. You locked your door and left the house. You came back and your TV was gone, with no signs of forced…

That's not what legally means... it's still illegal to steal other people's things, no matter how easy you make it to steal. Now practically, whether it's legal or not, no one is going to help you.

If our hypothetical forgetful person has insurance, their insurance agent will surely pay out a claim in the situation where a door was left open.

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Post by jimbob45 »

pySSK wrote: post #209
lordloki wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China has literal concentration camps and prisoner organ harvesting. I don't think your comparison means much.

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The source I remember was that China’s waiting lists for organ transplants were extremely low. If you have a refutation of that specific point, I would be very interested to read what you have to write.
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