Tell HN: We should start to add “ai.txt” as we do for “robots.txt”

Post by onlypositive » Wed, May 10, 2023, 10:29 PM UTC

wwweston wrote: post #222

renlo wrote: post #204

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I'd argue that land is owned because it's a finite resource, and that without property ownership people would be in conflict with one another. "Creative expression" is not finite, in fact every human possesses it, it's also intangible, it's ideas, thoughts, ... , which I personally do not believe should be owned.

> "Creative expression" is not finite It absolutely is. Doing it at all requires time & attentive focus, which is a finite resource for anybody mortal, and moreover a resource that's scarce and has to be spent in multiple places. Doing it well requires significant investment in practice and training, often years of it, maybe even decades in order to develop certain levels of expressive fluency. As with any issue of s…

Post by gavinhoward » Wed, May 10, 2023, 10:53 PM UTC

alphanullmeric wrote: post #242

gavinhoward wrote: post #145

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Yes, you can. You can do that by making the monetary value of the idea zero when it used to be non-zero.

Stealing requires physical force, whether that be on the property or person. By your logic, independently discovering the idea is also stealing.

Post by sdiupIGPWEfh » Wed, May 10, 2023, 11:04 PM UTC

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csallen wrote: post #129

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Same. The very nature of information is that it yearns to be free. Information cannot be "owned." The point of copyright should be to grant temporary monopolies to encourage creation, not to confer ownership. Thomas Jefferson put it beautifully: If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclus…

> very nature of information is that it yearns to be free. Information cannot be "owned." The nature of information is to dissolve into entropy.

Post by TylerE » Wed, May 10, 2023, 11:06 PM UTC

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> Don't recruit me into some bullshit argument that rewrites history and entrenches Disney's ill-gotten monopoly. You don't think it's them being allowed to buy Marvel, Pixar, Lucasfilm? Is creativity ruined because I can't make a Mickey Mouse cartoon or t-shirt? Does the world need Luke Skywalker coming from any individual studio? People are free to make the Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Hunchback of Notre D…

The three acquisitions you mentioned all took place many years after the Copyright Term Extension Act of 1998. Without the financial benefits conferred by that law (the timing and content of which benefited them more than it did their competitors), they might not have made all of those acquisitions. A lot of people in this thread seem to be undervaluing those old school Disney characters, yes now Disney is huge and h…

Post by remram » Wed, May 10, 2023, 11:16 PM UTC

rglover wrote: post #191

matsemann wrote: post #35

Reading the title I thought you meant the opposite. Aka, an ai.txt file that disallow ai to train or use your data similar to robots.txt (but for cases when you still want to be crawled, just not extrapolated)

I've been (slowly) writing a new type of OSS license around this exact concept so it's easier to (legally) stop LLMs hoovering up IP [1] (under "derivative works not permitted"). [1] https://github.com/cheatcode/joystick/blob/development/LICEN...