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Re: Reddit takes a new direction

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Post by kamjam »

ugh wrote: post #91
sophacles wrote: post #72

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* And I think we can all say the result is a lot more pleasant than a less tended place such as Reddit or 4chan.* I am honestly not sure we can say that at all. I thoroughly enjoy both hn and reddit, for completely different reasons . Sure, from a strictly legal standpoint, it isn't censorship or a constitutional issue, but at the same time, the "anything goes" attitude in places like 4chan and reddit allow for a lot…

For fucks sake. Is that really so hard to understand? Pedos can’t trade their images anymore (whether legal or not). That’s the extent of the limitation. How the fuck is that supposed to turn Reddit into something radically different? It’s this one tiny thing. It’s not some big change that changes Reddit. It’s not so hard. Some people just want to be deliberately obtuse. The slippery slope is a fucking fallacy!

Totally agree with you. I don't see why people are kicking up such a fuss. In fact, grab the IP addresses of everyone in those subreddits, hunt them down and throw them in jail. Give them a good beating on route too.

What if someone started a terrorism subreddit promoting hateful and inciteful behaviour. Defend that freedom America. We already know how that is working out. I doubt anyone would even bat an eyelid and this would be a non-story.

Seriously do not believe people are defending this "freedom" of speech. Total BS and people obviously have too much time on their hands doing nothing.

Re: Reddit takes a new direction

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Post by ugh »

potatolicious wrote: post #142
ugh wrote: post #91

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For fucks sake. Is that really so hard to understand? Pedos can’t trade their images anymore (whether legal or not). That’s the extent of the limitation. How the fuck is that supposed to turn Reddit into something radically different? It’s this one tiny thing. It’s not some big change that changes Reddit. It’s not so hard. Some people just want to be deliberately obtuse. The slippery slope is a fucking fallacy!

> "The slippery slope is a fucking fallacy!" Ugh. Here we go again. The fact that the slippery slope argument can be a fallacy doesn't mean that all claims of slippery slope is automatically a fallacy. People seem to think the fact that this word exists means they can use it in all contexts and be right. [edit] And the slippery slope angle has materialized in this particular case. No sonner had the jailbait subreddit…

Arrrg!

If you say “slippery slope hurr durr” it is a fucking fallacy. You have to do work to make it one.

No slippery slope has materialized anywhere. That’s bullshit.

Re: Reddit takes a new direction

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Post by ugh »

scanr wrote: post #153
ugh wrote: post #87

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Shit Reddit Says is pretty awesome and definitely on the right side of history. It’s not hard, it’s pretty simple.

Hi Ugh. How do you reconcile your view that this is a simple issue with the fact that it seems to be resulting in a large amount of discussion with a wide variety of views represented, some of which are diametrically opposed. I would contend that the evidence suggests that this is not a simple issue.

I don’t know. Weirdos scream the loudest, probably.

Re: Reddit takes a new direction

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Post by [deleted] »

betterth wrote: post #132
jasonkester wrote: post #63

People tend to think of online communities as democracies where the freedoms they're accustomed to from their normal lives apply. So when a post gets deleted by a moderator, people tend to think of it as a freedom of speech issue. There's a whole constitution out there specifically defending anybody's right to create a pro-Nazi subreddit, and to otherwise post anything they please on the site so long as it's not ille…

"The community we're currently discussing this in, on the other hand, has been a lot more conscientious in cultivating the type of garden it would like to see. And I think we can all say the result is a lot more pleasant than a less tended place such as Reddit or 4chan." This site is akin to a Reddit subreddit. The community here is great, clearly amongst the best of the Reddit subreddit communities. Is this communit…

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Re: Reddit takes a new direction

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Post by icebraining »

Steko wrote: post #220
icebraining wrote: post #215

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What exactly did they gave up when Cooper talked about r/jailbait?

That's when they deliberated for all of 30 seconds, decided they liked the million dollar checks and banned /r/jailbait. Yesterday's announcement was merely a formalizing of that policy and application to a number of other subreddits in response to a second wave of negative publicity.

The problem is that I was confused. r/jailbait had already been banned in August[1], before the Cooper story. I had no idea it had been unbanned and then re-banned.

So yeah, following the second ban, you could see the writing on the wall.

[1]: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/jkmx7/dear_reddit...

Re: Reddit takes a new direction

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Post by smokeyj »

jshen wrote: post #146
smokeyj wrote: post #65

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I can't help but feel this policy only serves lip service to "Stopping exploitation of kids". Personally, I think Reddit has the right to have whatever policies it wishes -- but this 'think of the children' argument is the same one that will be used to pass SOPA like regulation. I don't think a sane person would suggest that exploiting children is acceptable, but the answer then becomes -- to what degree to we sacrif…

"but this 'think of the children' argument is the same one that will be used to pass SOPA like regulation." I have no idea what your point here is. You seem to be implying that because someone may dishonestly use a "protect the kids" argument, that others then shouldn't really try to "protect the kids". If that isn't what you are saying then I have no idea what you intended to convey. "to what degree to we sacrifice…

The only point I was making is, the 'think of the children' will be used to censor the internet by the gov't. Reddit is not censoring the internet. It's their own site.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120213/13212017749/canadi...

Re: Reddit takes a new direction

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Post by burgerbrain »

ceol wrote: post #223
Jun8 wrote: post #118

I can't believe the narrow-minded approach a lot of comments here suggest. Most of the people seem to subscribe to the argument, which in simplified form says, (1) the subreddits were full of child pornography (2) the people who frequent these were "pedos" and therefore (3) it's a good thing that these got axed. The terms CP and pedophilia are being thrown around without much thinking, the same way the general public…

>1) Some of these subreddits may have contained CP, the illegal ones were being actively removed by admins. CP was posted in the same subreddits. The admins were tired of spending their time determining if reported images were illegal or not. >2) Calling pictures of 16-year-olds in bikinis CP is not very useful and dilutes the term. A 16 year old in their swimsuit at the beach isn't CP. A 16 year old posed in their s…

Please excuse my ignorance, but what does "like a porn star" mean?

Re: Reddit takes a new direction

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Post by Wartz »

jasonkester wrote: post #63

People tend to think of online communities as democracies where the freedoms they're accustomed to from their normal lives apply. So when a post gets deleted by a moderator, people tend to think of it as a freedom of speech issue. There's a whole constitution out there specifically defending anybody's right to create a pro-Nazi subreddit, and to otherwise post anything they please on the site so long as it's not ille…

Reddit seems to have forgotten this for a while, and as a result they started sliding until they became, well, Reddit. The community we're currently discussing this in, on the other hand, has been a lot more conscientious in cultivating the type of garden it would like to see. And I think we can all say the result is a lot more pleasant than a less tended place such as Reddit or 4chan.

5-6 years ago, Reddit was exactly the same as HN is now.

Re: Reddit takes a new direction

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Post by ceol »

burgerbrain wrote: post #248
ceol wrote: post #223

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>1) Some of these subreddits may have contained CP, the illegal ones were being actively removed by admins. CP was posted in the same subreddits. The admins were tired of spending their time determining if reported images were illegal or not. >2) Calling pictures of 16-year-olds in bikinis CP is not very useful and dilutes the term. A 16 year old in their swimsuit at the beach isn't CP. A 16 year old posed in their s…

Please excuse my ignorance, but what does "like a porn star" mean?

Bent over in an awkward position or in a way that exposes the area of their genitals.

We're not talking about some kids playing in the sand. This was seriously perverse stuff.

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