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Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by smeej »

jjice wrote: post #17

I've been waiting for this machine for so long, excited to see the actual CPU unveil. I may be out of date, but is the issue with not entering sleep mode properly resolved? That's a huge issue to me. Aside from Framework, does anyone suggest any other existing laptops that keep a fairly slim design while also offering lots of user repairability? I've had an okay experience with my Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen 3, but she's…

I haven't been able to resolve it. My Framework is basically a desktop with a (really weak) hinge. It's the only computer I've ever had that falls all the way open if you pick it up even partially open, and the only one that won't ever actually go to sleep.

I still use it a lot. I just don't ever unplug it for more than a couple hours.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by talhah »

dvd23 wrote: post #68
consp wrote: post #16

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Many laptops these days only implement s2idle and no proper s3 support which is the main culprit. My lenovo only does a day (at best) in s2idle under linux (windows is worse), when I switched it to s3 it does about 4 days as expected for the amd cpu. Fortunately this has a switch in the bios (which says windows won't work afterwards which is cow manure). You get the added benefit that windows can't phone home when yo…

Same for mine, there's even a long thread about it in Lenovo's forum (T14 gen1). I still think 4 days is not really great compared to my previous MacBook that could sleep for weeks.

Battery life is bad overall for this, at least on the sister T14s gen1. Is it the same experience for you and what tweaks have you made to increase battery life?

According to this thread we might never get AMD pstate driver working.

https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Other-Linux-Discussions/amd-pst...

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Post by Melkman »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #228
rektide wrote: post #191

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I can't find evidence it really made it out to consumers, & even less evidence there was any followup, but Intel did have a Xeon + Arria 10 GX FPGA chip, back in 2018: Xeon Gold 6138P with Arria 10 FPGA. https://www.anandtech.com/show/12773/intel-shows-xeon-scalab... At the hyperscaler level there's been a lot of adoption of SmartNICs, which are often FPGA based. That makes me feel like there's a pretty big market he…

Follow-on question, what makes FPGAs so dang expensive?

Size, speed, features. You can have a small FPGA for about 2$. You will however be limited in the complexity of the design you can implement because it has limited gates and pins. And limited speed. Like normal processors if you want faster, bigger and more features the cost shoots up. Combine that with the limited market for big FPGA's and they can be very high in price. Mind you that many also have things like a multi core ARM processor on board since many designs need a processor to control the circuit. Same with many interfaces. Would be a shame to use the limited gates in the FPGA for standard things like that.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by theshrike79 »

Dma54rhs wrote: post #221
theshrike79 wrote: post #198

"We haven’t opened ordering in your region yet, but we’re looking forward to getting there!" ...I've been waiting for two years with money in hand. Please let me pay you, please? Printing a set of keycaps for Scandinavian layouts can't be _that_ expensive?

Why not use US/UK layout? The product is mainly for programmers therefore I'm certain the demand for these layouts is low. Scandinavian/German etc layouts are a pain in the ass to write chars needed for programming to behind with. Just map your keys so you get your umlauts with caps from where you are used to, not what your keyboard labels tell you. Or just ä - caps+ a etc.

I can't live with the tiny enter key on US/UK layouts. I've spent way too long on the big one :)

Also US and UK aren't in the EU, so shipping and taxes are going to literally kill me.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by timbit42 »

antoineMoPa wrote: post #225
G3rn0ti wrote: post #207

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The future is RISC-V not ARM. The former will be everywhere, the latter only in Apple devices.

ARM is probably the architecture in the majority of devices currently if you account for android phones and iphones.

So ARM is the present.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by prettyStandard »

dcow wrote: post #214
candiddevmike wrote: post #196

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I don't think you're getting my point. I can't do anything with the specs Framework publishes, I can't fab my own parts. So for me, either as an individual or a person buying equipment for my business, when comparing Framework with Dell or Lenovo, it's the same outcome: they're the sole supplier of parts for their devices. Thus, I don't really get a benefit with using Framework vs one of the other providers, especial…

It you who's not getting my point. I explicitly said I understand that effectively there's no difference for you at the moment with framework vs other vendors. My point was that having an open system still puts you in a better situation than a closed system (and that it's not fair to criticize Framework for 3rd party parts vendors not existing since that's how this thread started), for numerous reasons but especially…

You would think we're talking to ChatGPT astroturfing for Dell or Lenovo.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by bobmaxup »

reacharavindh wrote: post #5

I’ll wait to see if they have proper “sleep” mode such that they don’t keep draining batter while not in use, particularly when running Linux. This is something that baffles me about non Apple Laptops how they just refuse to catch up to such a great benefit.. (alongside the trackpad experience which I can may be live with).

Every time I put my Apple laptop to sleep for an extended period, I come back to it completely dead.

It cannot even boot for an about an hour while it charges to a minimum level.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by 0x457 »

tracker1 wrote: post #197
rektide wrote: post #127

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That's a pretty good definition. It think there's more an element of being able to pull off the not forseen. A good code hacker isn't exactly defying computer architecture to extract their wins; they're finding brilliant solutions & cobbling together interesting systems that happen to meet the needs. I think AMD needs the pressure. 4x Thunderbolt 4 is amazing. AMD offering 2x USB 4 is such a massive downgrade. Just a…

IIRC, USB4 Full is pretty much TB3 plus some extensions... So probably shouldn't really be a deal breaker. You can still use a TB dock and an eGPU. USB4 can support 20-40gbps, TB3 is 16, and TB4 is 36.

Not quite. USB4 is based on TB3, but interoperability with Thunderbolt 3 is optional for hosts and devices. You could use any TB4 dock and USB4 dock that have USB4 upstream ports.

40gbps, 20 gbps (in 3.2 mode), PCI-E are all optional for host.

It's a mess, but I assume "fully capable USB4 ports" means that they are indeed fully capable. 2 "full" USB4 ports imo enough. I'm not plugging 4 monitors into my laptop directly, that's what the dock is for.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by _V_ »

preya2k wrote: post #111
_V_ wrote: post #99

The questions I always ask: - Does it have atlest two m.2 slots? - Can I have WIFI and WWAN (5G)? - Can this fit 4 RAM sticks? (96-128G RAM) - Does it have a 4k display? (it's 2023, come on!) Still not many computers do offer these parameters :-( I'd love to have Framework laptop if it would offer these parameters.

Two M.2 slots, two slots for 5G/WiFi and 4 RAM Slots? You're aware we're talking about a 13 inch device here, right? No way this fits into the 13 chassis.

It absolutely can. I don't really need a laptop that is razor thin :-)
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