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Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Post by rblatz »

mike_hock wrote: post #217
mlsu wrote: post #32

How does this business decision make sense? A car is a high-margin item, so the impact of even a handful of consumers choosing not to buy must be huge, right? Whereas, they would need to "monetize" (ugh) many many more units to turn back that lost profit. And as the shakeup due to EVs begins, even loyal consumers will be considering other makes. My girlfriend bought a car recently. CarPlay was not negotiable for her,…

CarPlay and/or Android Auto is a non-negotiable item for me, too. Any car that has it is a no-go.

Just don’t enable it?

Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Post by classified »

mlsu wrote: post #32

How does this business decision make sense? A car is a high-margin item, so the impact of even a handful of consumers choosing not to buy must be huge, right? Whereas, they would need to "monetize" (ugh) many many more units to turn back that lost profit. And as the shakeup due to EVs begins, even loyal consumers will be considering other makes. My girlfriend bought a car recently. CarPlay was not negotiable for her,…

Has GM been bribed enough by Google and not enough by Apple?

Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Post by alpaca128 »

userbinator wrote: post #47
Waterluvian wrote: post #41

Detaching the entertainment system from the car and making it just a dumb touchscreen and speakers must have really grinded the gears of auto makers. I can now upgrade my entire entertainment system, GPS, phone, etc. by replacing a phone. They’d prefer you get another car when your system is feeling old. I don’t even understand why my 2020 car had an optional GPS add-on for thousands of dollars. Android Auto / CarPla…

had an optional GPS add-on for thousands of dollars I guess it's for people who don't know better. Even a standalone GPS won't cost that much, and as a bonus, you can take it with you.

And as another bonus, it will work even when you haven't yet started the engine. Like in our car where the damn GPS simply won't boot otherwise.

Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Post by avereveard »

JoBrad wrote: post #240
bborud wrote: post #226

Ideally, my car would look like a BT speaker, possibly with a microphone and some controls, to the phone. I don't want a dedicated satnav, I don't want an elaborate in-car entertainment system. The reason is twofold. The first is that all of these in-car systems are pretty dated even after a couple of years. The second is that they tend to be fairly low quality to begin with. The system in my car that integrates with…

I do think that navigation which takes into account your car’s battery is a good feature. But ideally there would be a way to expose that to your navigation app.

but you can easily do that with a dedicated navigation app on your phone, which will have more current recharge points, and will also allow you to bring your favorites easily to one car to another (or each driver can has it's own)

Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Post by criddell »

crote wrote: post #78
criddell wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GM is expecting $20-25 billion in annual subscription revenue by 2030. Dropping CarPlay and Android Auto will definitely lose them many sales. They are betting the lost sales will be less than the new subscription revenue.

I genuinely wonder how they justify that figure. They could maybe justify a subscription if they offered a significant service, but they are by definition going to deliver a worse experience than CarPlay/Android Auto - simply due to it not being your own smartphone. Why would anyone buy an expensive car which is designed to last a decade while it has essential pre-installed features locked behind a subscription? If t…

They mention subscription revenue but they don’t mention monetization of the data they collect. That’s probably at least half of it.

Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Post by plagiarist »

bborud wrote: post #226

Ideally, my car would look like a BT speaker, possibly with a microphone and some controls, to the phone. I don't want a dedicated satnav, I don't want an elaborate in-car entertainment system. The reason is twofold. The first is that all of these in-car systems are pretty dated even after a couple of years. The second is that they tend to be fairly low quality to begin with. The system in my car that integrates with…

I don't even want the Bluetooth, just put a USB-C hole on the tape deck. That should be a standard size and easily replaceable with aftermarket components anyway.

Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Post by rblatz »

GordonS wrote: post #238
sokoloff wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a Nissan LEAF. In 8.5 years, my expenses have included replacing wiper blades twice, cabin air filter twice, filling the washer fluid bottle several times and I’ve looked at the tires and brakes, rotating tires once. It’s been crazy nice. (As the family wrench-turner, even my wife’s CR-V, which is generally low maintenance, has felt like an inconvenient pig for maintenance demands by comparison.)

You... don't need to change brake pads with an EV? Wheel bearings?

Regen braking means you use the brake pads much less than non ev cars.

Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Post by [deleted] »

iainmerrick wrote: post #182
m463 wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the iphone could play music over bluetooth, and that was something cars ignored for quite some time.

Most people didn’t have music on their phones back then. But you could plug your iPod into the headphone jack!

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Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Post by csunbird »

GordonS wrote: post #238
sokoloff wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a Nissan LEAF. In 8.5 years, my expenses have included replacing wiper blades twice, cabin air filter twice, filling the washer fluid bottle several times and I’ve looked at the tires and brakes, rotating tires once. It’s been crazy nice. (As the family wrench-turner, even my wife’s CR-V, which is generally low maintenance, has felt like an inconvenient pig for maintenance demands by comparison.)

You... don't need to change brake pads with an EV? Wheel bearings?

Regenerative braking is very, very good at slowing the vehicle without brake pad involvement, so the brake pads are actually not used that much, unless you actively apply brakes with sudden/aggressive stops.

Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Post by matthew-wegner »

jacobsenscott wrote: post #38

Android auto and car play are both really bad user experiences. They are just better than what most car companies can build, which is a very low bar. Here's the android auto experience: Take my phone out of my pocket (not that easy when you are already sitting...), turn on bluetooth (I often have it off because it grabs my headphones etc when I don't want it to) and connecting it to usb (where'd the damn cable go? An…

Like other replies, my CarPlay experience is:

* Turn on car * My music starts playing * Screen shows Google Maps, following location * If it's a longer trip, I'll pull phone out of pocket and place on magnetic mount that also charges it

This is even with a 3rd-party CarPlay screen! This device sends audio to the car via the car's Bluetooth, so my steering wheel controls still work. Only real downside is the wireless CarPlay audio lag (~2s).

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