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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by sonotathrowaway »

AraceliHarker wrote: post #214

Wasn’t it a common perception among San Francisco residents that the security in San Francisco was getting worse, as shown by the testimony of Jake Shields, a friend of Bob Lee, who said that his girlfriend was attacked by a robber, even though it was a coincidence that the one who killed Bob Lee was an acquaintance? Besides, didn’t Bob Lee himself move to Miami because of the bad security in San Francisco?

I wouldn’t count on a hardcore maga ideologue to give truthful testimony about anything, much less the crime in a liberal city.

He’s more likely to say this was a coverup by the deep state than admit it wasn’t a random crime.

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Post by sanedigital »

cemerick wrote: post #172
stickfigure wrote: post #135

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It feels a bit like you're championing a narrative of "See, it's not so bad! You'll just get your stuff stolen and your car vandalized!" I wouldn't feel so smug about that. I lived in SF for ~15 years, experienced multiple car breakins (when I had a car) and one weird guy who walked up to me on the street and said "I have a gun and I'm going to shoot you" (which I somehow calmly ignored). For the record, I didn't com…

The only thing I'm "championing" (just pointing out, really) is that certain populations seem to enjoy using anecdotal tragedy to promote their own quasi-apocalyptic worldview re: some American cities, despite all available data contradicting that worldview. I'm sure everyone here appreciates the update on your locale, and your own stories of property crime and/or non-criminal (yet perhaps unnerving?) personal intera…

By "certain populations" do you mean a small selection of the worst members of almost all populations?

Jumping to conclusions and pushing narratives isn't the exclusive purview of any particular group, especially not in 2023.

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Post by foooorsyth »

azinman2 wrote: post #204
NotYourLawyer wrote: post #154

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Shithole city is a bit extreme, don’t you think? I’d reserve that for very, very different places in the world.

It’s not extreme when you compare it to most other Western cities. If you want to get into undeveloped nations and dilapidated ghost cities, you’re just entering a different arena.

The endless tent encampments, open drug use, human feces on the street, glass/needles/trash everywhere, and rampant vehicle theft make the place unbearable. It is a shithole.

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Post by bigtex88 »

cemerick wrote: post #84
nemo44x wrote: post #61

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> I wonder how likely it is that the same population will comment here to say, "I was wrong"? Sure, people were wrong in their assumption that the murder was random. At least that's how it looks now. We haven't heard the suspects side, but.... But wrong that SF has become a dangerous and mismanaged city? Murder isn't the only violent crime and a lot of crime goes unreported. People don't feel safe walking around and…

People see homelessness and open drug use and petty property crime, filter it through their ideological lens, and amplify that into feeling that they are themselves somehow less safe. You can assert that that is rational, but it's as connected to reality as someone feeling afraid when e.g. a black person is walking behind them. Saying stuff like "a lot of [violent] crime goes unreported" is straight up fanciful think…

That IS a less safe space. What are you actually talking about? An area with homeless, open drug use, and petty property crime is 100% a more dangerous area. No one would allow their children to go walking through an area like.

Seriously what sort of weird ideological rant are you on in this thread? You have some really bizarre thinking regarding this issue.

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Post by f38zf5vdt »

dontwearitout wrote: post #217
f38zf5vdt wrote: post #103

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I would recommend just never going on Twitter, for any reason. People are less racist on 4chan these days.

The AI research community on twitter is absolutely great, that's the only reason I have an account.

Come hang with us refugees at sigmoid. :)

https://sigmoid.social/public/local

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Post by ruph123 »

hermitdev wrote: post #201
cemerick wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only thing I'm "championing" (just pointing out, really) is that certain populations seem to enjoy using anecdotal tragedy to promote their own quasi-apocalyptic worldview re: some American cities, despite all available data contradicting that worldview. I'm sure everyone here appreciates the update on your locale, and your own stories of property crime and/or non-criminal (yet perhaps unnerving?) personal intera…

It's not just this tragedy, it's any tragedy. Every time there's a mass shooting, people use it as a rallying cry for more gun control, rather than focusing on fixing the issues that actually led to the violence (usually severe mental health issues), as if people haven't used knives or vehicles to commit mass murder/violence. Never let a good tragedy go to waste, so the saying goes.

> Every time there's a mass shooting [...]

If this is a valid premise, then you know you are doing something wrong as a society. Mass shootings are common place in the US (with currently 177 mass shootings this year so far). This is not normal.

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Post by bnralt »

cemerick wrote: post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

It’s interesting. The initial post that mentioned that Rob Lee was murdered got mass flagged and stayed at the bottom of the page. There’s discussion about his murder and crime in general, but the top comment is asking people not to be political and to post their memories of Rob Lee.

The only submission about Rob Lee’s death that stayed at the top of the page was one that didn’t mention that he was murdered in the headline, and where dang came in and told everyone to keep politics out of it and avoid flamewar stuff.

People said it was reasonable that people mass flagged any submission that mentioned the murder in its headline, because it was flamewar stuff.

But now we have this submission. I looked through all of the top comments, and they’re _all_ using this to talk about the larger “is San Francisco safe?” debate. About half of them are specifically complaining about other people’s views, including complaining about other Hacker News comments.

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Post by vdnkh »

rubyn00bie wrote: post #48
cemerick wrote: post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

Yeah the exact same thing happens with Portland every time it pops up on here. The HN audience by and large irrationally hates progressive policies and cities with them. It’s weird watching people here parrot the opinions of the corporate overlords.

Any topic on HN which is tangentially related to the Culture Wars (progressive cities/DAs among them) typically has several comments bashing the "woke".

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Post by Kiro »

cemerick wrote: post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

You're doing the same thing now. We don't even know if this is actually the perpetrator yet, and even if it is it doesn't matter. Anything bad (or good) that was written about SF can still be true.

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Post by tomstockmail »

hhgf5yhbd wrote: post #121
weston wrote: post #16

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Agreed! It was really disgusting how everyone immediately turned the news of his passing into political posts designed to trash the entire city of San Francisco, when it was obviously too soon for anyone to know the full story behind his unfortunate death. I hope this news brings his family and friends some closure.

SF looks worse if it was a deranged tech bro, there are a lot more of those there than homeless people. Harder to avoid.

Tech Bros take more in government handouts too.
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