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Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by atdrummond » Wed, Apr 05, 2023, 11:11 AM UTC

weberer wrote: post #233

atdrummond wrote: post #158

Nothing will change. I was attacked in Christmas ‘21 in the Tenderloin, right after walking out of the KFC/Taco Bell on Eddy. Two cop cars drove by me and did nothing. It was only due to an ambulance finishing a run at Sutter and spotting me that I didn’t bleed out on the suitcase. I have video, proof of damages physical and financial, eyewitnesses and the info of the men who attacked me. SFPD will not arrest them be…

>SFPD will not arrest them because Boudin refused to prosecute. New DA has not gotten back to me despite repeated attempts. The same is happening in Philadelphia too. Its sad, because the city was on the upswing in the first half of the 2010's and making a lot of progress on reducing crime. Then a new DA came in and did a complete 180. Now its worse than ever. Look up videos of "Kensington, Philadelphia" on Youtube.…

I drove through Kensington twice during my last visit to Philadelphia this past year. It seemed to me a conscious decision by the city to have one open air market that they couldn’t control but at least manage. Sacrifice Kensington and contain the violence and drugs everywhere else.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by harimau777 » Wed, Apr 05, 2023, 11:13 AM UTC

atdrummond wrote: post #158

Nothing will change. I was attacked in Christmas ‘21 in the Tenderloin, right after walking out of the KFC/Taco Bell on Eddy. Two cop cars drove by me and did nothing. It was only due to an ambulance finishing a run at Sutter and spotting me that I didn’t bleed out on the suitcase. I have video, proof of damages physical and financial, eyewitnesses and the info of the men who attacked me. SFPD will not arrest them be…

A major problem as I see it is a lack of nuanced policy. Currently in America it seems that you can either have police brutality and criminalized homelessness or you can have non-enforcement. What we really need is to prosecute crime but without tolerating police brutality or making laws designed to punish the poor.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by tapatio » Wed, Apr 05, 2023, 11:20 AM UTC

corbulo wrote: post #106

tapatio wrote: post #77

SF politicians now have blood on their hands, question is, will they do anything about it?

Now?

I guess they always have, but now it’s fresh techie blood.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by nisegami » Wed, Apr 05, 2023, 11:25 AM UTC

atdrummond wrote: post #158

Nothing will change. I was attacked in Christmas ‘21 in the Tenderloin, right after walking out of the KFC/Taco Bell on Eddy. Two cop cars drove by me and did nothing. It was only due to an ambulance finishing a run at Sutter and spotting me that I didn’t bleed out on the suitcase. I have video, proof of damages physical and financial, eyewitnesses and the info of the men who attacked me. SFPD will not arrest them be…

I wonder if they'd have declined to prosecute if you'd have shot your attackers.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by MrBuddyCasino » Wed, Apr 05, 2023, 11:31 AM UTC

atdrummond wrote: post #158

Nothing will change. I was attacked in Christmas ‘21 in the Tenderloin, right after walking out of the KFC/Taco Bell on Eddy. Two cop cars drove by me and did nothing. It was only due to an ambulance finishing a run at Sutter and spotting me that I didn’t bleed out on the suitcase. I have video, proof of damages physical and financial, eyewitnesses and the info of the men who attacked me. SFPD will not arrest them be…

„Conservatives who think people will grow out of it, or that observable declines in quality of living or public safety will have an impact, don't get it.

It's a faith, backed by power and media. You can't fight that with reason, especially when you are being silenced.“ https://twitter.com/vdarejamesk/status/1643462162776567808

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by causi » Wed, Apr 05, 2023, 11:31 AM UTC

harimau777 wrote: post #242

atdrummond wrote: post #158

Nothing will change. I was attacked in Christmas ‘21 in the Tenderloin, right after walking out of the KFC/Taco Bell on Eddy. Two cop cars drove by me and did nothing. It was only due to an ambulance finishing a run at Sutter and spotting me that I didn’t bleed out on the suitcase. I have video, proof of damages physical and financial, eyewitnesses and the info of the men who attacked me. SFPD will not arrest them be…

A major problem as I see it is a lack of nuanced policy. Currently in America it seems that you can either have police brutality and criminalized homelessness or you can have non-enforcement. What we really need is to prosecute crime but without tolerating police brutality or making laws designed to punish the poor.

People with middle-ground attitudes seem to just get attacked by both sides nowadays.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by chrissnell » Wed, Apr 05, 2023, 11:32 AM UTC

Fradow wrote: post #141

martin_a wrote: post #103

Can someone very briefly wrap this whole "SF is broken"-situation up for somebody from Europe? I only ever read that it's "because of the policies" and there are lots of rather disturbing videos about SF making its rounds on YouTube. But what exactly happened? Did they just remove all the police? Did they gave out free drugs to everybody? I'm not interested in blaming political parties, I just want to get a quick gra…

I'm from Europe too, but I've following what's been happening, so here's a very detached account of what happened. First, it's not a single reason but several going hand in hand. The main one, as far as I understand, is the sky-rocketing price of housing, coupled with little social safety net for which the US is well-known, produced a lot of homelessness that has not been addressed and ballooned. With that also came…

Homelessness in the US is not a housing issue. Simply walk through a typical homeless encampment or walk through the Financial District of San Francisco and it will be clear as day: it is a drugs and mental illness issue, and ultimately, a family issue. Good families will take care of their mentally ill members and get them the care that they need. If you don't have a family, it's easy to end up out in the street on drugs. Nobody wants to talk about families, though.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by harimau777 » Wed, Apr 05, 2023, 11:37 AM UTC

martin_a wrote: post #103

Can someone very briefly wrap this whole "SF is broken"-situation up for somebody from Europe? I only ever read that it's "because of the policies" and there are lots of rather disturbing videos about SF making its rounds on YouTube. But what exactly happened? Did they just remove all the police? Did they gave out free drugs to everybody? I'm not interested in blaming political parties, I just want to get a quick gra…

There's a combination of issues.

In general, the US has a major crime/homlessness problem due to the lack of a social safety net, poor drug & mental health policy, and homophobia.

California has much nicer weather than much of the US so homeless people move their or are just able to survive there. In some cases, right wing states purposely relocate their homeless to California.

America is currently experiencing a backlash against a broken justice system that tolerates police brutality, favors the rich, and is often racist. Unfortunately, this has probably resulted in an overcorrection in many places.

The previous point is exasperated by the fact that the Republican party, which in recent decades has been more oriented around "law and order", has become a far right party. Therefore, even if someone agrees with their candidate on crime, they may disagree with them on economics, LGBTQ rights, etc.

I don't know if this is true, but I've been told that unlike most other cities, much of SF's resources for helping homeless people is located in their downtown. That then results in the homeless problem being much more visible there.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by rswerve » Wed, Apr 05, 2023, 11:39 AM UTC

atdrummond wrote: post #158

Nothing will change. I was attacked in Christmas ‘21 in the Tenderloin, right after walking out of the KFC/Taco Bell on Eddy. Two cop cars drove by me and did nothing. It was only due to an ambulance finishing a run at Sutter and spotting me that I didn’t bleed out on the suitcase. I have video, proof of damages physical and financial, eyewitnesses and the info of the men who attacked me. SFPD will not arrest them be…

I don’t know your case, but it’s also possible that the police won’t make an arrest because police in America tend to go on low-key strike when a liberal prosecutor is elected, and then loudly proclaim that the DA is undermining the rule of law.

This article is about a different kind of “police pullback,” but the underlying phenomenon—cops won’t work when they’re challenged—is the same. https://www.propublica.org/article/what-can-mayors-do-when-t...

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by beepbooptheory » Wed, Apr 05, 2023, 11:39 AM UTC

weberer wrote: post #233

atdrummond wrote: post #158

Nothing will change. I was attacked in Christmas ‘21 in the Tenderloin, right after walking out of the KFC/Taco Bell on Eddy. Two cop cars drove by me and did nothing. It was only due to an ambulance finishing a run at Sutter and spotting me that I didn’t bleed out on the suitcase. I have video, proof of damages physical and financial, eyewitnesses and the info of the men who attacked me. SFPD will not arrest them be…

>SFPD will not arrest them because Boudin refused to prosecute. New DA has not gotten back to me despite repeated attempts. The same is happening in Philadelphia too. Its sad, because the city was on the upswing in the first half of the 2010's and making a lot of progress on reducing crime. Then a new DA came in and did a complete 180. Now its worse than ever. Look up videos of "Kensington, Philadelphia" on Youtube.…

I live in Philly. "Mad Max" is really pushing it and slightly offensive. It is still, like, society over here. Up until last year my gf worked everyday at a school in Kensington. She was never attacked by raiders or whatever. People everywhere have lives and are doing the best they can with what they've got.