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The case for banning children from social media

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Re: The case for banning children from social media

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post #209

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if the dopaminergic effects are not dissimilar to drugs, and evidently just as bad, why not ban them for adults as well?

> if the dopaminergic effects are not dissimilar to drugs I highly doubt the implied semantics of this statement. We don't know everything there is to know about "dopaminergic effects". The pharmacology of smoking weed is probably very different than from say, scrolling through memes.

Pharmacology, yes. But we can compare social media and other addictions in terms of social harm, health harm, psychological and emotional harm, withdrawal symptoms, financial consequences, impairment to decision-making, procrastination and distraction impacting attainability of personal goal, prerogatives and decreasing motivation, relationship harm (it is difficult to form relationships with those "terminally online" for example), cognitive/executive function impairments, self-esteem harm, sleep hygiene harm, personal hygiene harm (difficult topic for some addicted people to talk about but in my opinion, it is related to internet addiction as much as alcohol or drug addictions), harm on enjoyment of life, and many others.

The effects of dopamine bombing yourself with on line content are not very dissimilar to effects of drugs. I would argue they are more similar than dissimilar.

Re: The case for banning children from social media

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Why go with the nuclear option when the crux of the issue lies not in social media itself, but the type of experience it provides?

Just make the experience better for children - chiefly by removing the dark patterns that cause the problem in the first place.

Sure, companies will complain, but they're not entitled to ruining teenage mental health like that.

Re: The case for banning children from social media

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I just don't see any alternatives to banning social media, perhaps even up to the age of 18. The dopaminergic effects are not dissimilar to drugs and social media is just as addictive. It's not clear how you could effectively regulate this stuff - especially in our highly polarised political climate. The right will immediately target "wokeness", and the left will immediately target "hate speech". And the kids will be…

> It's not clear how you could effectively regulate this stuff It's not hard. It just upsets vested interests. Make it illegal to show ads to kids. You don't have to make "kid" identification airtight, because few people of any age want to opt into ads. The ad industry was very upset when the American Psychological Association proposed this back in 2004.[1] This doesn't raise constitutional issues because ads are con…

"It's not hard. It just upsets vested interests."

Yeah, this is what makes regulating anything hard or pointless, if the "vested interests" are powerful enough.

Re: The case for banning children from social media

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I just don't see any alternatives to banning social media, perhaps even up to the age of 18. The dopaminergic effects are not dissimilar to drugs and social media is just as addictive. It's not clear how you could effectively regulate this stuff - especially in our highly polarised political climate. The right will immediately target "wokeness", and the left will immediately target "hate speech". And the kids will be…

Computer games are also addictive. Back in my days soccer and basketball were addictive as well. I vividly remember my grandpa despising my uncle for having obsession with playing soccer and not spending more time on his homework. It seems like a pattern, grown ups just don’t like the way youngsters are spending their time. Maybe it’s totally normal in your teens to just spend aimlessly time in seemingly useless thin…

I’m not sure if you have children.

Soccer and basketball exist today. I don’t think you’ll find many parents who struggle with their kids’ habits with them relative to current video games like roblox. (Super Mario Kart doesn’t have the same addictive and predatory aspects)

Find a random parent and you’ll see for yourself. It’s not that parents are frustrated that their kids are playing too many video games. It’s that they are concerned their kids are becoming addicted before they turn 10.

Re: The case for banning children from social media

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I just don't see any alternatives to banning social media, perhaps even up to the age of 18. The dopaminergic effects are not dissimilar to drugs and social media is just as addictive. It's not clear how you could effectively regulate this stuff - especially in our highly polarised political climate. The right will immediately target "wokeness", and the left will immediately target "hate speech". And the kids will be…

Computer games are also addictive. Back in my days soccer and basketball were addictive as well. I vividly remember my grandpa despising my uncle for having obsession with playing soccer and not spending more time on his homework. It seems like a pattern, grown ups just don’t like the way youngsters are spending their time. Maybe it’s totally normal in your teens to just spend aimlessly time in seemingly useless thin…

I spent my youth with my nose buried in books, and for a couple years it had become a problem. My parents would force me to stop reading books and spend some time talking to them, looking outside, doing anything as a kid. I would read a book at any chance I could get, I'd even sneak them into bed and use a dim flashlight to read, anything to get me out of where I was at that time. At the time I hated my parents and everything they did. In hindsight I was in a complicated phase of my life (for reasons besides this post) and I needed the kick to go out and get out of my own head. Should we ban books so kids can't get addicted? Parenting is hard.

Re: The case for banning children from social media

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post #243

Why go with the nuclear option when the crux of the issue lies not in social media itself, but the type of experience it provides? Just make the experience better for children - chiefly by removing the dark patterns that cause the problem in the first place. Sure, companies will complain, but they're not entitled to ruining teenage mental health like that.

I think the problem lies in social media itself.

Unless you mean, social media for kids should be sms.

Re: The case for banning children from social media

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Question is, what constitutes social media? I got my first PC at 11, running Windows 98. Since then I've been participating in online forums and sites like facebook and myspace. If I ever have a kid I want them to be able to experience the same stuff I did.

The experience for kids today is nothing like what you experienced.

The early internet was pretty magical. I’m not sure we will ever get that back.

Re: The case for banning children from social media

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post #165

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Eh, honestly, just go all the way and ban advertising altogether (I would be so happy if this happened, even though it obviously never will). Pretty willing to tank my karma to say this, I don't care, I think advertising is one of the biggest psychological pollutants in modern society and any possible benefit (??) is vastly outweighed by the cognitive waste incurred by all who are subjected to it.

How would you define advertising? If there were no advertisements how would people know about products? They would have to read discussions and recommendations but how would those discussions and recommendations not be considered advertisements?

I don't think that's difficult. If no one is being paid for posting it, it's not an advertisement.

Re: The case for banning children from social media

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post #185

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It's your (our) generation who built all this stuff. We thought it would be "neat".

We thought it would be lucrative.

We thought we had no alternative because if we didn't do it, someone else would, and they'd eat our lunch.
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