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Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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What is a good alternative? Should it be indexed off the price of gold?

Most companies will set local prices based on local markets, and will react to changes in economics by adjusting prices.

With a company as large as Apple, and a product with such high volumes, wouldn't this simply present arbitrage opportunities which would smooth out the costs again anyway?

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I doubt this is about price like some people in here are suggesting. Maybe a little bit overall market trend, but primarily I would wager it’s because many, many people bought the M1 when it came out and it’s so good that the only people buying M2 are those who waited - it’s a fine spec bump, but not something you would be tempted to upgrade from M1 for.

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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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I was just buying a laptop for my family and the prices of MacBooks here in Europe are utterly crazy. The crappiest 8GB RAM (?!) 256SSD M2 Air model is 1650EUR. 1650EUR for a laptop that won't have enough ram to run the browser in two years. The 16GB model is rounded 2000EUR, which was before reserved for a high-end gaming laptops. It's bonkers.

Meanwhile a lenovo is 800 EUR for a 11th gen i5, 16GB RAM and a 3050ti. As someone with a value investing mindset, I personally can't find the extra value for double the money in macs.

For their low-end lines, but not something like an X1

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Too bad we can’t try to focus on building people computers that last decades.

I have a 2008 MacBook pro that still works - don't see any reason why the current generation MacBooks shouldn't work for a decade or more too.

The M1/M2 MBPs are a pretty significant leap technologically. At some point intel Macs will receive less and less support and the price point of the M1 (used and new) will drop enough to justify the upgrade.

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It's still stupid. It costs Apple a minimal amount extra to vastly improve the utility of their devices with 16GB RAM and 512/1TB drives by default. But they're cutting corners here in search of product segmentation and profit, so much so customers will genuinely be suffering because of their choices.

Does it matter what it costs Apple? The locksmith only takes ~5minutes to open a lock and yet...

Well yeah, it does matter. People aren't buying them at the current price point.

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But a mac air is a luxury item, and its pricing reflects that. I don't think it's absurd at all. A similarly capable laptop could be had for a much lower price, so people that complain they cannot get this luxury item for an "affordable" price just sounds entitled to me.

This doesn't read like a complaint about the pricing per se. It's more like pointing out Apple's low sales might have something to do with their high pricing and then providing that the pricing is unattainable for laypeople by way of stating the single figurehead of a country will still be out a month's income if they want one.

It does read like a complaint about the pricing

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> US economic dominance is about to go into hyperdrive Our biggest export is dollars. We accept ship loads of consumer goods and in exchange send the ships back empty. What a deal.

I have a hunch that’s exactly what it looked like for all past economic empires, no?

Which empires are those?

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> The dollar is insanely strong right now This is a bigger story that isn’t being told properly often. The recent BRICS currency move is about them panicking over increasing dollar global dominance. Checking recently I can’t find any major currency that is up against the dollar over last 10 years. US productivity is running away from the rest of the planet is another variable and with rapid on shoring of numerous ind…

Outside of Peter Zeihan, I'm also utterly surprised that no one even brings up the demographics debate. Everyone has been so indoctrinated on the "we have too many people" propaganda that they haven't even realized how fast birth rates have dropped across the globe (and they're dropping even faster now). The demographics of Europe, China, Japan and S. Korea are all terminal at this point. Outside of UK, France, and t…

No European country (UK excepted) has an “immigrant culture.” In recent decades, some European countries have accepted large numbers of immigrants. But as far as I can tell, they’ve even relegated to an economically disadvantaged underclass in every one of those countries. They’re not buying Apple products. For example, average income for Turks in Germany (a group that started immigrating in the 1970s) is estimated to be 2,000 euros per month: https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/193000-turks-come-back-fro.... Average income for Germans as a whole is almost 4,000 euros per month.

Meanwhile in America, median household income for Vietnamese Americans—who also started immigrating in the 1970s, as refugees—matched the national average sometime in the 1990s.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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It's around £3000 for a high-end 16" MBP. Apple pricing went from 'premium' to 'luxury' for a lot of their audience. Meanwhile, the world is in a seemingly permanant omni-crisis.

Yes, there's a lot of great things about these machines. But there's also some very real downsides (repairability/upgradeability and a non-user-replacable battery), and the higher the prices get, the more those downsides need to be considered.

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