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I think that part of what limits what creators can do on twitch comes down to what the advertisers are willing to put up with, it's likely more that advertisers are leaning on twitch who are then leaning on creators, vs just twitch leaning on creators. As for kick, they seem to be actively ignoring/rejecting these limitations (potentially because they at least partly externally funded by stake (online gambling platfo…

These online gambling platforms have no shortage of money, they were paying out 7 figure amounts to content creators for one stream in some cases. It's possible they can run the whole site through their marketing budget.

Yep, this is my theory as well. The viewer isn't being advertised to by third parties, they're being advertised to by the owner of the platform. If they can get people hooked on gambling, they'll make just as much money as advertisement.

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Speaking as someone who actually has an advanced degree in science and understands how to read papers and interpret medical evidence ( unlike Tufecki, who has literally zero scientific training or understanding of statistics) has read ~every paper on masks ever published, the "rebuttals" there are nonsense. The Cochrane review was not incorrect; it was not retracted. The "apology from Cochrane" was not about the pape…

Gonna go with "wearing a mask to stop particulate spread" is not separate but equal from taking horse dewormer. (And it's not an exaggeration to characterize it as such when they're literally buying drugs from farm suplly stores and injecting amounts meant for livestock over the course of a few days.) Similarly, I don't know anyone who has died from wearing a mask. This is not even to mention the numerous other studi…

Oh, stop. Ivermectin is a human drug. The fact that you're repeating this line shows that you're not commenting in good faith.

Quite literally, the evidence for both is equally good (or bad). Citing mechanistic or laboratory studies is absurd, when we have actual RCTs.

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> I honestly pegged things like Twitch Plays Pokemon back in 2014 Most of the comments on Twitch strike me as pretty weird. If I look at Twitch their problem is that, as a business, they never really broke out of their gaming niche. It's strange to suggest that Twitch should have catered more to the audience that they had already captured. Not to say that there's anything wrong with that, but for a company that took…

Gaming niche? "Just Chatting" is far and away the most popular category right now; ~100K more viewers than GTA V (most of which is GTA:O and RPing).

"Just Chatting" is basically the fallback-category for everything non-gaming. This inflates the size massively. And yet if you take the next 2-3 biggest categories, they will combined already beat it.

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lost me at 'leftist extremism' imma need some examples.

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> Twitch was at the center of the Hogwarts Legacy game controversy because people were mad that certain streamers were playing a game because something something JK Rowling is an "anti trans TERF."

And most ignored that BS. Twitch has a very loud radical left community, but I think it's also far smaller than they appear. Most people are just somewhere in the middle, with a bit more left leaning for natural reasons. After all, most people on the platform are quite young.

> This is the event that still required everyone to wear a mask late 2022 only after Twitch was guilted into it.

Cons were already a deathtrap before the pandemia. The After-Con-Flu was not just a running joke. Taking the chance and making sure that your lifehood stays healthy, seems more pragmatic than leftist to me.

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Is ANY platform in a position to treat creators well? I hear nothing but complaints from everywhere. I wonder if it is possible to treat creators well…? Are creators even worth much on average considering the volume of people willing to just grind out content continuously without much regard to … themselves? It seems to be an endless search for more subscribers, more views, more patrons of some type, more questionabl…

Maybe I missed it, but Wordpress seemed to handle creators really well. I've been saying for a while that the next big thing in streaming is Wordpress but for Streamers. Something relatively easy for small streamers to set up and manage on their own, cheap enough to start small and scale up as it starts to make money, with the ability to handle large-scale streams if necessary. I don't know how you would handle provi…

> I've been saying for a while that the next big thing in streaming is Wordpress but for Streamers.

One of the really interesting projects I've been tracking for a while is Destiny.gg (D.gg for short): https://github.com/destinygg

Destiny is a streamer, a very controversial one, that often finds himself on the wrong side of rules, and due to his stances, rarely sees clemency from administrators and moderators. Despite this, he has managed to be a professional streamer for over a decade.

Crucial to his ability to survive the bans and de-platforming is that early on he hired someone to build his own pseudo-platform. The big things were: a page that embedded a stream (e.g. Twitch or Youtube), a chat service, a subscription tied into that chat service, and a web site to tie it all together.

This meant that while Twitch could ban him, he would just move over to Youtube and his core community - which chatted on D.gg, not Twitch - would barely notice. Subscribers would be unaffected and his income would be safe.

The elegant details are that the project synchronizes subscriber tiers from the other chats into the main Destiny.gg chat, so even if you subscribed on Twitch or Youtube, you were not only rewarded in D.gg chat, but incentivized to go there because that's where the core community posts.

Socially, it's been interesting to watch because it ended up with two chat-based communities around this streamer and they actually dislike each other. The chat on Youtube leans one way, but the chat on the D.gg leans the opposite way. It's unlike anything I've seen in other streamers.

Live version of the core functionality: https://www.destiny.gg/bigscreen

The whole thing is available for licensing, although no longer publicly maintained. I'm not entirely sure where things are between the developer and Destiny, but it's such an interesting project and I'm surprised it isn't the de-facto standard for most streamers.

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What's wrong with that? Working since 2006 watching some dude named Justin livestream his life to what it has become is quite an accomplishment that seems justified for an early retirement?

Why would you possibly think I'm against this?

Not saying you’re against this. I’m saying that he’s been in an exec role for a long time, much longer than average. This should be seen as a natural conclusion and not “twitch problems”. He would’ve been replaced many moons ago if investors weren’t getting what they wanted.

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lost me at 'leftist extremism' imma need some examples.

Leftist extremism: depends on your definition, but see AI generated Seinfeld banned because of a joke[1] Incel culture: I don't agree with this one, I don't think it's something widespread Softcore porn: The whole hot tub/asmr categories. Amouranth herself says she uses twitch as a billboard to get people to her onlyfans[2] [1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/06/nothing-fore... [2] https://twitter.com/ja…

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They did eventually ban gambling streams, so who knows. The trouble, I think, is defining what qualifies as "software porn". Do you start policing what streamers are wearing? Are some activities, like squatting, disallowed? And any definition will probably court controversy, especially because it will overwhelmingly affect female streamers.

They could add a general ban of "intentional sexual behavior", which is vague enough to apply common sense and affect just the people who were meant to be affected. Similar to how a judge can use common sense to interpret vague terms in the law.

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To countercomment: - Softcore porn (I would not call it porn at all, search online for softcore porn and you get something completely different). You don't have to watch it and I never see it in my feeds, you have to actively search for it to find it. So I'm wondering how you notice it for it to be a problem? Yes; I'm calling you out. - Ads: youtube has a LOT more ads, and a lot of twitch streamers don't do the ad pr…

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Twitch will never stop the softcore porn because it's a huge source of revenue and they DGAF that they are serving softcore porn to teens. Honestly I don't care that teens watch cammers or porn, but it's toxic to the platform to have it share the same site, and that also allows payment to be shared and basically makes it way easier for kids to pay cammers, which is super weird IMO. I also really dislike the encourage…

I’ve talked to my friends about this (we all have young children) and they had no idea softcore porn is prevalent on twitch. Not to mention actual adult stars regularly streaming. And before anybody replies “and whats wrong with that” blah blah, parents still think of twitch as a place where kids can watch minecraft. Twitch is playing with fire here.

I've seen one or two adult movie stars streaming on Twitch and they're known for being relatively polite. I mean, they don't need to act out for attention the way pro streamers do.
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