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Mario Kart Tour Triggers You into Gambling Your Money

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Re: Mario Kart Tour Triggers You into Gambling Your Money

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Post by klodolph »

BoorishBears wrote: post #240
klodolph wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's a third option you omitted: That the first comment was clear, that the second comment clarified, that other commenters have clarified, and you still don't grasp it, so I'm not inclined to keep spoon feeding you this. To be clear, your behavior in this thread is inappropriate. You are expected to disagree with people without talking about “spoon-feeding” people explanations, or acting like the person you are…

Interpreting things as inappropriate is your prerogative. When you're still saying things like > You farm it by playing every day, doing the daily quests / challenges, and you get a decent number of coins. This is different from rubies, which are more limited. While not realizing the entire crux of the issue is "a decent number" is a completely arbitrary limit designed to encourage compulsive engagement and monetary…

I mean, it’s my prerogative to interpret something as inappropriate, but you’re not stupid, and you I think you know that your behavior is inappropriate. You’re just trying to manipulate me into getting angry or something. You’d have better odds selling me rubies.

Re: Mario Kart Tour Triggers You into Gambling Your Money

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Post by albrewer »

hbn wrote: post #126
currymj wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

they didn't initially. their first mobile game, Super Mario Run, cost $10 and had none of the usual manipulative mobile game elements. People did not buy it so they switched to the same F2P nonsense as everyone else for future games.

Super Mario Run was also always-online for no reason, you couldn't play without an internet connection. And it wasn't a particularly impressive game. There's no shortage of endless runners on mobile, and Nintendo didn't do much to differentiate themselves, so it's no surprise nobody bought it.

The online-only aspect of it killed it for me. I lived in an area with spotty cell service when it came out, meaning a game that would otherwise be a great time killer was unplayable due to the DRM.

Re: Mario Kart Tour Triggers You into Gambling Your Money

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Post by BoorishBears »

klodolph wrote: post #241
BoorishBears wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interpreting things as inappropriate is your prerogative. When you're still saying things like > You farm it by playing every day, doing the daily quests / challenges, and you get a decent number of coins. This is different from rubies, which are more limited. While not realizing the entire crux of the issue is "a decent number" is a completely arbitrary limit designed to encourage compulsive engagement and monetary…

I mean, it’s my prerogative to interpret something as inappropriate, but you’re not stupid, and you I think you know that your behavior is inappropriate. You’re just trying to manipulate me into getting angry or something. You’d have better odds selling me rubies.

You're a bit paranoid if you think I'm trying to manipulate you by mostly reiterating points an article I'm replying to made.

But apparently the odds of selling you rubies are quite high, it's certainly more likely than a lot of things.

Re: Mario Kart Tour Triggers You into Gambling Your Money

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Post by datavirtue »

Parmenidea wrote: post #192
datavirtue wrote: post #163

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Yeah, but you only spent $10. The investors aren't going to stand for that crap when all these other companies are scamming their way to thousands. $10 or $4000 in revenue...take your pick. Gambling needs defined and outlawed in every way possible. The recent supreme court ruling that released the sports gambling hounds has me gobsmacked with absolute disbelief.

This is such a strange take. From a legal standpoint, why is it a qualified use of government paternalism to outlaw gambling? We should not be asking the government to set laws based on morality. Practically speaking, and apologies in advance for how obvious this argument is…when you ban gambling, it doesn’t disappear, it simply goes underground. Criminal actors benefit while the state is unable to enforce any protec…

It's not about morality. If enough of the population goes down the tubes drinking alcohol or smoking opium the people will make it illegal.

Government == people, like your mom.

Re: Mario Kart Tour Triggers You into Gambling Your Money

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Post by datavirtue »

nsvd wrote: post #196
Parmenidea wrote: post #192

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This is such a strange take. From a legal standpoint, why is it a qualified use of government paternalism to outlaw gambling? We should not be asking the government to set laws based on morality. Practically speaking, and apologies in advance for how obvious this argument is…when you ban gambling, it doesn’t disappear, it simply goes underground. Criminal actors benefit while the state is unable to enforce any protec…

> We should not be asking the government to set laws based on morality. What an odd opinion. What about laws against murder, fraud, or narcotics? Aren't those also based on morality?

You can remove the debatable morality aspect and focus on the practical implications.

Re: Mario Kart Tour Triggers You into Gambling Your Money

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Post by datavirtue »

freedomben wrote: post #189
datavirtue wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but you only spent $10. The investors aren't going to stand for that crap when all these other companies are scamming their way to thousands. $10 or $4000 in revenue...take your pick. Gambling needs defined and outlawed in every way possible. The recent supreme court ruling that released the sports gambling hounds has me gobsmacked with absolute disbelief.

I don't fully disagree with you, but it's not so simple. I only paid $10, but I've paid $0 to all the others. Same for the people I know with one exception. It's got to be a small number of total users that spend thousands in a game, so it seems reasonable to think that the revenue could be comparable when everyone pays something. Would be really interesting to get some hard data

You would be blown away at how many people without money spend $4000 in a short time.

I worked with a guy who spent thousands on World of Tanks when it launched 12years ago (free to play, and they didn't have anything that was pay-to-win or that resembled gambling). His income was about $40k and he had a family to support. I have since run into others who have blown similar amounts or more on mobile gaming. These people are slowly, quietly ruining their lives.

Re: Mario Kart Tour Triggers You into Gambling Your Money

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Post by Accacin »

bogwog wrote: post #23
Accacin wrote: post #7

Sadly, people play and buy these games as evidenced by the dumpster fire that was Diablo Immortal. I love Diablo, but there was no way in hell (lol) that I'd download that game and even play for free. I feel like these mobile games need regulating heavily, but it's also down to use to not support these games.

> but it's also down to use to not support these games. Not really true. Gambling is heavily regulated for a reason, it's just that these games haven't been officially categorized as gambling under existing gambling laws (yet). If you ever meet a gambling addict, try telling them to "just stop gambling" and see how well it works. There's something about the human brain that's highly vulnerable to this particular vice…

Completely agree with you, and I didn't mean it like that although I see it came across that way. I'm very in favour of these games being highly regulated.

I really just meant in the sense of "normal" gamers in general, for example I've got friends who bemoan how the latest game they just bought runs like crap on their high-end PC and I'll say "stop preordering games" and they'll come up with some poor excuse as to why preordering is not the reason for these issues.

They'll complain about Diablo Immortal but download it and buy at least the first couple of packs you get offered.

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