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OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Post by dang »

3D29021196 wrote: post #11

Step by step, ever since the calling the diver a "pedo", every since the "funding secured" i've began to realise just how petty and pathetic elon is. Every opportunity he has he seems to show just how vindictive he really is. Man child who now has way too much money. Buying Twitter on a whim is the latest in a string of decisions which do not align with the "let's get to Mars and save earths environment" stuff he lik…

"Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents."

These things are invariably popular, repetitive, and nasty. You may not owe $BILLIONAIRE better but you owe this community better if you're participating in it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

(We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34980579)

Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Post by [deleted] »

3D29021196 wrote: post #11

Step by step, ever since the calling the diver a "pedo", every since the "funding secured" i've began to realise just how petty and pathetic elon is. Every opportunity he has he seems to show just how vindictive he really is. Man child who now has way too much money. Buying Twitter on a whim is the latest in a string of decisions which do not align with the "let's get to Mars and save earths environment" stuff he lik…

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Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Post by mclightning »

throwaway4aday wrote: post #197
AlexandrB wrote: post #181

> It is "hard for anyone except larger companies to benefit from the underlying technology," OpenAI stated. Ugh. This is the part of the recent AI advancement that annoys me the most. The web, at least in its infancy, was pretty accessible to individual hobbyists. You could run a web server on your own computer. AI technology seems highly centralized from the start.

If you expand your timeline a little bit you'll reach a spot where the computers, equipment and comms necessary to create a computer network were highly centralized and only run by large corporations and institutions. How many times do we need to see this pattern for it to be obvious?

History does NOT NECESSARILY repeat itself.

Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Post by 93po »

AlexandrB wrote: post #181

> It is "hard for anyone except larger companies to benefit from the underlying technology," OpenAI stated. Ugh. This is the part of the recent AI advancement that annoys me the most. The web, at least in its infancy, was pretty accessible to individual hobbyists. You could run a web server on your own computer. AI technology seems highly centralized from the start.

The web in its infancy only worked because of the massive infrastructure that allowed your server to talk to others. In the same way you can tinker with your own web server, you can tinker with AI tech. You just can't reasonably train it independently, though the cost in terms of compute resources is something like 1% of what it was many years ago.

Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Post by 93po »

dang wrote: post #241
3D29021196 wrote: post #11

Step by step, ever since the calling the diver a "pedo", every since the "funding secured" i've began to realise just how petty and pathetic elon is. Every opportunity he has he seems to show just how vindictive he really is. Man child who now has way too much money. Buying Twitter on a whim is the latest in a string of decisions which do not align with the "let's get to Mars and save earths environment" stuff he lik…

" Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. " These things are invariably popular, repetitive, and nasty. You may not owe $BILLIONAIRE better but you owe this community better if you're participating in it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html (We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34980579 )

Thanks dang. Space man bad tangents are really tiresome and contribute nothing to the discussion.

Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Post by ratorx »

93po wrote: post #232
rippercushions wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To quote Spaceballs, they're not doing it for money, they're doing it for a shitload of money.

OpenAI, if successful, will likely become the most valuable company in the history of the planet, both past and future.

Really? I see a lot of competition in the space. I think they’d have to become significantly more successful than their competitors (some of which are massive AI powerhouses themselves) to achieve the market dominance necessary.

Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Post by ryanobjc »

xiphias2 wrote: post #213
prepend wrote: post #113

I like that the corporate bullshit just keeps getting more. Google’s “don’t be evil” is many steps down from openai having open in their name. They should be called Open AI with ( not open) in small print. I argue a lot over “open source” software with non-OSI license and sometimes worry if I’m too pedantic. But I think it’s important to use terms accurately and not to confuse reality more than it already is by calli…

,,I wonder if google and openai truly started out with these ideals and were just corrupted and overpowered by standard organizational greed'' With Google Eric Schmidt explained how it came: quite often when they were breainstorming about product launches, and something looked like it can grow the company, but is immoral to do, some person interrupted: ,,that would be evil''. As Eric was trying to organize the compan…

This was historically described as "When google was going to hire it's first MBA, an engineer coined the phrase 'dont be evil' and went around spreading inside the company"

So I don't know how to square it with this recent info, but I would say Eric's recent interview is a creative re-interpretation of the circumstances. As execs tend to do.

Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Post by TeMPOraL »

93po wrote: post #232
rippercushions wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To quote Spaceballs, they're not doing it for money, they're doing it for a shitload of money.

OpenAI, if successful, will likely become the most valuable company in the history of the planet, both past and future.

Let's hope that they aren't there, given your nicely concealed prediction it'll be the end of the world as we know it.

Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Post by ejb999 »

93po wrote: post #232
rippercushions wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To quote Spaceballs, they're not doing it for money, they're doing it for a shitload of money.

OpenAI, if successful, will likely become the most valuable company in the history of the planet, both past and future.

seriously doubt it - what they are doing, others can do - and if they start generating a lot of revenue, it will attract competition - lots of it.

They don't have a moat big enough that many millions of dollars can't defeat.

Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Post by [deleted] »

mellosouls wrote: post #148
andrepd wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously, is there anyone naive enough to have swallowed any of their trips? Corporations don't have ethical compasses, much less corporations founded by VCs aka professional salesmen.

I (parent commenter) may be naive but I actually believe the original intent was probably sincere; I suspect either political shenanigans, greed, gatekeeping or any number of other vices have come rushing with success and shedloads of money, and the original ethical stance was not accompanied by the significant moral courage needed to sustain purity under enormous pressure from either less principled stakeholders, or…

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