There really needs to be a distinction between an actual recall (my Model S had one to change the latch on the frunk) and this type of "recall" that is nothing more than an OTA software update.
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No need to worry about the return trip if it's unlikely that anyone would survive the trip there, right?
”Six days after the radiation-wrecked colonists emerged from the battered Starship, the Emperor of Mars condemned them all to death by suffocation for ‘insufficiently engaging with his tweets’. Historians debate the meaning of this expression found carved in a rock outside the base.”
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Right, but to be eligible for the return trip you'd first need to pay the loan you took to go there by working as an indentured servant and buying your oxygen and food at company-set prices, right?
What, you think people should be able to breathe for free?
Part of the plot of the episode Oxygen (Series 10, episode 5) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_(Doctor_Who)
It's an interesting watch (especially with the context of labor relations in mind).
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#244There really needs to be a distinction between an actual recall (my Model S had one to change the latch on the frunk) and this type of "recall" that is nothing more than an OTA software update.
"Recall" means that the Manufacturer MUST follow rules related to record keeping and customer engagement. If you have a recall, please make sure you get it completed. It is someone's job to call and write to you until you do.
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Why? It involves a safety system! That needs to be tracked publicly and updated! Nothing more than an OTA - does not mean much when everything is fly by wire and a bug could mean your car does not stop accelerating or something.
Recall implies something being returned. This should be called a mandatory software patch, or something like that. The problem is Tesla owners repeatedly see "recall" to mean "software update", so this might lead to a lot of confusion if a physical recall is actually required in the future.
My Honda had 2 recalls on it recently: one was a software update and the other was over the fact that a few of the cables on the audio system were slightly too short. This sounds like the same thing other than the fact that I had to pop over to the dealership to do them. Even with the cable replacement, in and out in an hour with a nice lounge to sit in.
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You can believe whatever you want. The reality is that FSD Beta is unsafe and makes the dumbest decisions. Every update I give it a try to see if anything has improved, and usually within the first 30 seconds, I end up turning it off. Autopilot on Freeways works ok for the most part though.
You both could be right. It might depend on the area the car is driven. I guess you are not in the Bay Area?
I'm in Las Vegas. The roads are wide, the weather is clear, traffic is low. FSD Beta should work great here. But alas.
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#247I wonder what severity / frequency of incidents or regulator awareness required them to actually come out and say that they're issuing a recall, rather than just quietly putting it into an upcoming release like they probably would otherwise do?
As far as I know pretty much all update to critical system will always be told to the government and cause a 'recall'. But I'm not 100% on what the actual regulatory requirement are.
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#248I love that this is the same guy who wants to send people to Mars one-way and then figure out the return trip later.
Why do you hate the idea of going to Mars so much? https://idlewords.com/2023/1/why_not_mars.htm I would love to go there, even if it meant I died the second I step foot on it. Getting back would be the last thing on my mind.
There are plenty of other places you could go travel to where you get to see some amazing wonders right before your guaranteed death. Right here on earth too. Why no go for some of those? You can likely do it for cheaper too.
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#249Meanwhile, the only actual L3 capable car is a Mercedes. Plenty of people will argue that AP is actually superior, but I don't think there's any way to say that for sure, given the tight constraints Mercedes has put on their driver assistance in order to lower the liability enough to make L3 not a bankruptcy event. For certain, however, they are more confident in their technology than Tesla is, otherwise Tesla would…
Don't LIDAR/radar sensors (I'm not familiar with exactly what the options are) have benefits that vision doesn't have, like working in poor lighting/visibility? Why would Tesla move away from these sensors?
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One can kill people the other not. Guess which one. >> "...The FSD Beta system may cause crashes by allowing the affected vehicles to: “Act unsafe around intersections, such as traveling straight through an intersection while in a turn-only lane, entering a stop sign-controlled intersection without coming to a complete stop, or proceeding into an intersection during a steady yellow traffic signal without due caution,…
> One can kill people the other not. No, that's not correct. Whether it can kill people or not is orthogonal to whether it's a true physical recall of the car or a software update.
You're right. A physical recall doesn't necessarily imply death.
This should be labeled "holy shit need to fix this now, people could die"