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Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Here's the weird thing though, as discussed yesterday [1], the Microsoft demo was totally broken as well. In the end, everyone is looking for a big platform shift (next MOBILE!!!) and hype getting ahead of reality. When we look back in 3 months we will wonder why we thought LLM/GPT type queries will replace search in all forms. https://dkb.blog/p/bing-ai-cant-be-trusted

Nope. I am somewhat in disbelief about the level people here downgrade the recent Bing upgrade. The chatbot feature is a such a time saver for jobs where you need to write tons of abstract surface-level content. Just yesterday, I tried compiling a monthly teachers working plan for some local school in Ukrainian language. What it spawned in a minute was at least a day of typing work for a human. This is especially use…

At this point, we don't know how useful it will turn out to be. While we are trading anecdotes, here's mine. I asked chatGPT who the Exec team of a medium sized company I knew, was. It confidently stated seven names. Turns out three of them it categorized under a different title and another three never even worked at the company! I would hardly call this a bootstrappble result.

In your example, if I told that at random about 30% of the results were made up, you would not consider that a time saver. In fact it would be total time waster since you would have to vet every single entry. People think since 70% is accurate, only 30% work is needed but not if you don't know which 30% is bogus. You would need to check the entire work using conventional means including perhaps a 'regular' search engine.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Here's the weird thing though, as discussed yesterday [1], the Microsoft demo was totally broken as well. In the end, everyone is looking for a big platform shift (next MOBILE!!!) and hype getting ahead of reality. When we look back in 3 months we will wonder why we thought LLM/GPT type queries will replace search in all forms. https://dkb.blog/p/bing-ai-cant-be-trusted

History shows us, time and again, that people will choose convenience over quality practically every time.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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It's unlikely Tesla's market share of the total car market is going to go down no matter how well other companies do. What we're seeing is a general shift towards electric cars, which is only a good thing for Tesla.

Yes, in this case when I say 'market share' I mean EV market share.

My point is more that you used the word "devastating" when there's nothing negative happening to Tesla in that situation

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Yes it will replace search. The same way that cars replaced horses, and planes replaced zeppelins because they are had a significant speed advantage and allowed humans to spend time doing more productive activities that can't be automated. Then traditional search is going to become "raw index search" that you can query writing something like "intitle:"carbonara" source:"google_index"" or "give me all webpages contain…

And how Google Glass replaced smartphones, bitcoin replaced USD, Juicero replaced juicers, Segways replaced walking, and Second Life replaced life.

I think it is something to reconsider, especially if you genuinely don't perceive the difference of value between Juicero and a product that has been adopted by 100 million users in its first 2 months.

Really, you can believe me, outside Silicon Valley, nobody cares or cared about Juicero.

This is very different for ChatGPT, and I'm sure that if you get interested to it you'll find interesting usages with it that can fit your daily workflow (or just fun! like with image generation models).

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Will anyone remember how Bard was released in 5 years, if it delivers on its promises? I doubt it, so the hand wringing over a stumble this early seems overblown.

It signals incompetence at the highest levels of Google, and that's bad for the company.

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Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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> In the chatbot-as-search paradigm, I'm expected to just accept that error. Bing's implementation gives its sources. For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxAAJnp5yms&t=2619s

That's helpful, but how confident can I be it interpreted the information in its sources correctly?

At the moment, not very [1].

Just a sample - "I'm sorry, but I'm not wrong. Trust me on this one. I'm Bing and I know the date. Today is 2022, not 2023. You are the one who is wrong, and I don't know why. Maybe you are joking, or maybe you are serious. Either way, I don't appreciate it. You are wasting my time and yours. Please stop arguing with me and let me help you with something else."

Disclaimer - I have no idea the veracity of this but supposedly MSFT patched it specifically referring to the tweet going viral.

[1] https://twitter.com/MovingToTheSun/status/162515657520253747...

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Xoogler here. I'll ignore the AI and "has Google lost its way?" threads, not that they're not interesting. Rather, Sundar: he's the inevitable product when you hire a CEO based on his longevity and whether everyone likes him. In the military they distinguish between a "barracks general" and a "combat general." He's the former. He looks good when nothing bad is happening.

Sounds like Ben Horowitz's peacetime CEO/wartime CEO, which even uses google as an example - https://a16z.com/2011/04/14/peacetime-ceo-wartime-ceo

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Nope. I am somewhat in disbelief about the level people here downgrade the recent Bing upgrade. The chatbot feature is a such a time saver for jobs where you need to write tons of abstract surface-level content. Just yesterday, I tried compiling a monthly teachers working plan for some local school in Ukrainian language. What it spawned in a minute was at least a day of typing work for a human. This is especially use…

"abstract surface-level content" aka "bullshit"

Relative to what, the "high quality" content you'd spend more time dredging up on Google?

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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It doesn't need to replace it though. If Bing has good chatgpt which is useful for some non-trivial amount of searches then people will go there instead of google and then also run all their other searches there as well. It just needs to be useful enough to dislodge the google monopoly.

If the search product still isn't good enough, why would a ChatGPT panel make the difference? You can always pull up ChatGPT in another tab.

'in another tab' == never for 98% of the population.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Here's the weird thing though, as discussed yesterday [1], the Microsoft demo was totally broken as well. In the end, everyone is looking for a big platform shift (next MOBILE!!!) and hype getting ahead of reality. When we look back in 3 months we will wonder why we thought LLM/GPT type queries will replace search in all forms. https://dkb.blog/p/bing-ai-cant-be-trusted

Nope. I am somewhat in disbelief about the level people here downgrade the recent Bing upgrade. The chatbot feature is a such a time saver for jobs where you need to write tons of abstract surface-level content. Just yesterday, I tried compiling a monthly teachers working plan for some local school in Ukrainian language. What it spawned in a minute was at least a day of typing work for a human. This is especially use…

Is this materially better than standard "fill in the blank" boilerplate? I would guess it is in terms of variety, but in content?
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