How did this get to the front page of HN? This is so transparently asinine. In what universe does finding a nearest neighbor constitute attribution?
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#242I was taught to paint by instructors, and then refined my abilities by studying paintings of the old masters, right down to their brushwork and core techniques visible in the paintings to all who see them. Now I go and create a painting called Sunflowers. Does Van Gogh's estate own some of my work?
I doubt even then you could make a work that would be worthwhile enough that any lawyer could care, but just because you are doing it for the wrong reasons (to prove a point). You need to live a full life and have passion to make art like Van Gogh. Its not simply that he had good technique. Its that he felt something deep down. He felt it ever since he was a child, and made constant and frustrating (to him) attempts…
Yes, whenever I spend hours refining a prompt in my stable diffusion UI and select one of hundreds or thousands of outputs and spend even more hours refining it with inpainting and other non-AI tools, I've felt nothing whatsoever, and my choices aren't informed in any way by anything interesting going on in my inner life.
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#243Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you're missing the point. How does Stable Diffusion know "what does saurik look like?". The answer is of course that it's seen saurik's profile pic in training data. Stable Attribution is not showing that. As another comment[1] points out: > This appears to be just looking for the nearest neighbors of the image in embedding space and calling those the source data. Stylistically similar images are not the same…
Interesting. So it only shows images that were transformed / mixed to get the output, but does not show images used to learn how to transform / select them? Sounds very much like a human would do it. If I 'know' how to recognize saurik and I know how anime is supposed to look like, I can check my digital photo library for a picture of saurik and than use that picture as a template to draw an anime version of saurik.…
I think saying exactly what an ai of sufficient complexity is doing is a mater for philosophy more than science. But idk if transforming or mixing is how I’d describe what this is doing. In particular it truly does not have a complete representation of any of the images it was trained on. They just wouldn’t fit. It does of course have an understanding of how embeddings relate to images that is informed by the images it’s seen so maybe that counts, but I’m not sure if it’s useful in understanding the limitations or how to improve models like it
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#244Off topic, I really like the scrolling animation on the site, I wonder what tools did they use to make it.
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#245Earlier quoted context omitted.
> law is technology agnostic, just adding a layer of redirection doesn't matter, because tm it cares about the input and the output not what happens in between. What makes you think that? The law cares about whatever lawyers decide to care about. There was a case a few years ago where (if memory serves) a black woman sued an insurance company for discrimination after the insurance company refused to provide her cover…
It's worth noting that "worse decisions" is from the point of view of the insurance company, which would prefer to act racist if only that pesky law didn't stop them, and will continue to do so to the extent they can get away with it.
Curious that you assume the insurance company was racist / malicious in this case. There's nothing to suggest that reading in the story I gave.
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#246Earlier quoted context omitted.
Artists shouldn’t have to compete against themselves . If these AI companies didn’t use the work of artists, the output would suck! I’m sure many artists would be happy to compete against the artistic talents of software developers. But they’re not, they’re having to compete against their own work. I listened to an interview with an artist who referenced the “three C’s”: Consent Credit Compensation These seem reasona…
Who do I credit when I use SD inpainting to remove power lines from the background of a personal vacation photo?
Everybody who ever made a photograph that shows blue sky and posted it online - easy.
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#247Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, it seems like it'll just as happily 'attribute' human-made images as well, which calls the whole thing into question. If it's really showing the images that stable diffusion has 'stolen from', and it'll do the same for humans, does that not mean people are equally guilty?
Maybe Stability AI is playing 4D chess and made this website themselves as a sorta "false flag" to help demonstrate that what SD is doing is no different than what humans do, to help them win any legal battles.
How is what any of these image generators are doing any different from myself when I (try to) make art? I draw on my experiences and senses and try to reproduce a picture and those experiences include natural things I've seen as well as art others have made.
More so how are these image generators any different from text generators like ChatGTP? I feel like if first tool out from these AI gates was a bot that wrote good-enough-to-use code, no one would have batted an eye. Everyone would just go "yeah we told you that those pesky programmers would eventually automate themselves out of jobs", but since it is rendering pictures which most of the populace can appreciate and it is a skill that is easy enough for literally any child to pick up, but requires a lot of dedication to master all of a sudden this is theft and should be illegal.
I really hope this lawsuit or whatever doesn't go anywhere, because it will not change anything. The genie is already out of the bottle as far as image generators are concerned - however it means that we the people won't get whatever comes next. Whatever comes next will be tightly held by big corporations and they alone will reap the benefits, whatever they may be.
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#248Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you're missing the point. How does Stable Diffusion know "what does saurik look like?". The answer is of course that it's seen saurik's profile pic in training data. Stable Attribution is not showing that. As another comment[1] points out: > This appears to be just looking for the nearest neighbors of the image in embedding space and calling those the source data. Stylistically similar images are not the same…
Interesting. So it only shows images that were transformed / mixed to get the output, but does not show images used to learn how to transform / select them? Sounds very much like a human would do it. If I 'know' how to recognize saurik and I know how anime is supposed to look like, I can check my digital photo library for a picture of saurik and than use that picture as a template to draw an anime version of saurik.…
Stable diffusion doesn't transform or mix images in text to img.
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#250Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's worth noting that "worse decisions" is from the point of view of the insurance company, which would prefer to act racist if only that pesky law didn't stop them, and will continue to do so to the extent they can get away with it.
Curious that you assume the insurance company was racist / malicious in this case. There's nothing to suggest that reading in the story I gave.
As you said, they were sued for discrimination and lost.
Also, differential insurance coverage tends to be one of the worst ways that systemic racism is perpetuated.