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Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by throwaway_8745 »

Created a throwaway for this post.

It is so scary and damaging to be accused of moral misconduct of this type. I cannot imagine how many people (independent of the gender) are going through this kind of abuse and not daring to bring it up because of the way it is approached and the whole complexity of proving it.

I have a similar experience:

I used to work at a big tech with +100,000 employees, and had a female co-worker a few years older than me. I was groped, kissed and basically harassed to the point that I left the job that I liked the most and ended up with depression. Note that we are both software engineers.

As a guy in my 30s when I asked for advice from friends outside the company I got the advice to leave with an good excuse because if she decide to she can ruin my career and steal years of my life. I never told my partner about it nor have I spoken about it with anyone else.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by RangerScience »

malwrar wrote: post #202
NeverFade wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> More curious is the very direct "your team is too male" and the encouragement to fire someone. Everyone in tech knows this is happening, and it's illegal, but nobody will do anything about it. Similar to ageism back in the 2000s.

Once during a hiring panel at a previous role, the hiring manager asked us to be sure we reviewed the candidate as a junior. After we gave feedback, they mentioned they were being pressured to hire a woman and that this was why we were asked to judge the candidate below standards. Ultimately got the job, and while she turned out to be a quick learner and great coworker I still remember how shocked and… helpless I fel…

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Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

seadan83 wrote: post #82
tonfreed wrote: post #33

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It shouldn't be a competition. If a man abuses his power over a female (or male, for that matter) employee, then they should have the book thrown at them. The same should apply for women. I hate the level of politicisation over this, it's a shitty thing to do no matter who does it.

It's one of those, "see, woman can do X too, so why are we so focused on only men doing X" Similar too, "white people are shot by cops". Similar to "white people are discriminated against in colleges". The point is true it is shitty no matter. Though, now the conversation is shifted if a person were to focus on root causes of either problem. Overall, false equivalence.

Power differentials are the root cause of all of these situations. This is why feminists have long said that rape is about power, not about sex. Unfortunately the 'people in charge' are personally invested in continuing these power differentials (and of course the physical power differential between men and women, on average, or adults and children, on average, is insurmountable).

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by Reubend »

schroeding wrote: post #125
seadan83 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's one of those, "see, woman can do X too, so why are we so focused on only men doing X" Similar too, "white people are shot by cops". Similar to "white people are discriminated against in colleges". The point is true it is shitty no matter. Though, now the conversation is shifted if a person were to focus on root causes of either problem. Overall, false equivalence.

... so don't talk about it, keep it quiet, because it "shifts the conversation"? :/ Sorry, I see your point, I know that this is used to derail conversations, you're right, but "false equivalence" kinda implies that one thing is worse than the other. It is, systematically, but it isn't, personally. If you were raped, it doesn't help you that the power dynamic is and was different in our society between genders and yo…

Good point. Even if there's a more widespread problem in society, it's pretty unpleasant for some victims to be thought of as a distraction.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by fidgewidge »

Simon_O_Rourke wrote: post #218
grapehut wrote: post #72

These stories leave a bad taste in my mouth. It hasn't yet gone to court, so the guys allegations could be really be anything from the God's honest truth all the way to a complete fabrication. Yet there is a huge amount of irreparable damage by public stories like this. I was once personally on the receiving end of a complete false sexual harassment allegation from a coworker almost at random (someone I had almost no…

Not quite as damaging, but I was accused of harassment from some blue-haired weirdo on a video call with nearly a hundred people at work. Like you, this was a person I had zero interaction with prior to the call. I considered getting a lawyer involved because I feared this could blow up, but was talked out of it by my boss, who asked me to apologize and "let's leave it at that".

So you apologized to someone you had no interactions with for harassing them, even though the claim was false?

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by danuker »

jl6 wrote: post #201
notrealme1234 wrote: post #166

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Yes, in civil court. The DA office won't take on false accusations charges. Edit: I could sue her, but nothing will come of it, she's completely broke, alone and live rent free taking care of old lady with dementia. And as of me, idk, never held grudge or wanted any vengeance upon anyone, it's easier to just cut ties, and never be associated with her

You might get somewhere suing the bank if they caused you any harm.

Maybe the employer also. Acting on unproven accusations is unfair.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by djtriptych »

geysersam wrote: post #160
notrealme1234 wrote: post #133

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Didn't want to post from my main account to avoid any references and trails. It goes beyond just sexual harassment at work. I was accused by my ex wife. Even before any trials or anything: I lost my job, banks, housing and pretty much anything that requires a background check. I fought this for a year, and everything was dropped, because her friend came as witnesses and explained how she and my ex wife planned on set…

Why would a bank care if someone once accused you of a crime?

This was my question too. Pretty sure banks just never do background checks just to hold accounts.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by HideousKojima »

lynx23 wrote: post #204

When I first heard the "Believe women" slogan, I knew we are in trouble. As if women were inable to say anything but the truth.

I was falsely accused of sexual harassment when I was in 1st grade. I didn't start having anything resembling attraction to women until 3rd grade, by the way.

We had some sort of combined activity with some 6th grade students. I dropped my pencil and crawled under the table to get it, and got back to work and didn't think anything of it. A 6th grade girl at the table got up and left the classroom, and 15 minutes later I was called up to the principal's office. They told me I was in big trouble for looking up girls' skirts and if I had anything to say for myself. I just got really confused and started crying, I told them I had no idea what they were talking about. Fortunately they believed me, but the fact that they took things that far in the first place left a very bad impression on me regarding both school administrators and sexual harassment claims.

Edit: this was in the early 90's, by the way. I'm sure it's only gotten worse.

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