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Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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I find it crazy how many people in here still believe these AI's are producing totally original works- the main source images are all ripped from art station and the like.

Midjourney is painfully obvious in its use of the same limited set of source images- with filters, transforms, compositor routines applied.

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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post #242

I find it crazy how many people in here still believe these AI's are producing totally original works- the main source images are all ripped from art station and the like. Midjourney is painfully obvious in its use of the same limited set of source images- with filters, transforms, compositor routines applied.

What does a "totally original work" look like to you? And what does it produce if it's not original? Remixes? Plagiarism?

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can see the usage being between parent and kid more than producing best sellers. Or a way to give a kid a cheap but special gift.

Yes, but that's precisely the usage I find upsetting!

I can see your point but I'm not sure it's that straightforward. Let's say you simply took a hat with your kid's favorite characters from tv/movies/books/whatever on slips of paper, drew some, then did the same for plots, then made up a story to tell your kid.

At some level, sure, it's not the same as coming up with a story on your own - there's not going to be anything meaningful in why you selected those particular elements of the story - but that merely constrains those choices to free you up to be creative with other aspects of the story.

I think there's still room for someone who wants to be creative to use the tools to provide the same experience you're describing. It's not like one has to give the raw output to one's child. And I think such raw outputs will be generally bland, missing something relative to those with a human touch. However, giving bland and meaningless entertainment to children wouldn't really be something new, and I still see a fair concern in there. I suppose this is already part of what articles on "Kids' YouTube" are talking about.[0]

[0]https://www.avclub.com/take-a-trip-to-the-automated-hellscap...

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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It's almost like the "I" should be in quotes. Because if anyone else in the world gave ChatGPT the same prompts, they would get more-or-less the same story. (visual generative AI is different). I think this makes things like college essay generation less scary. If two students prompt ChatGPT with "write a personal statement for the common application for college" or whatever, ChatGPT will more-or-less produce the sam…

Just paste it some excerpt from a previous essay of yours and ask it to write the new essay in that style. There, prompt engineered.

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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As an experiment, this is cool. As actual usage? I enjoy making stories up (or misremembering existing ones) for my daughter. The human touch is valuable to me. I also wonder: many well-loved stories of today started as a story the writer was telling his/her children; one example is The Hobbit. What if Tolkien had thought "screw this, I'm overworked and tired, I'll just type some prompt for ChatGPT and it will be eno…

Yea I’m with you. If a children’s story is primarily a generic - albeit engaging - plot, then I think AI will be very successful at telling new stories. But as a means of cultural encoding to help children understand what matters in the world and how they - specifically - fit into that world, it’s going to come up short.

I think this is true, but there are (likely) more children's books out there than you can read in a lifetime, so it seems like adding more middling AI ones to the mix would not be a value-add. At least (skilled) human authors adding to the pile have a better chance to make the story meaningful.

Maybe we need a critic AI that can identify the most touching, meaningful, instructive, and morally enlightening stories out there and help us sort through the already daunting number of options

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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I also created a kid's book for Christmas; but I still haven't written any blog post about it.

What I did:

- I asked each of my 5 nieces/nephews to give ideas (e.g. invent a character)

- I generated around 10 stories with ChatGPT, based on their input. I used ChatGPT in French, it worked almost as well as in English (except for poetry).

- I got a total of 4500 words. This took at lot of iteration with ChatGPT, because I gave guidance and I used lots of followup prompts to force ChatGPT to add more details to the stories.

- I generated 2/3 images per story, plus book cover.

- I paid for a professional print of the book - 24 pages, around 20 euros

- In total, I spent around 15-20 hours of work (content generation took a lot of iterations).

That was a nice Christmas gift.

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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A fun experiment but LLM generated stories will never escape the uncanny valley, because they're not novel, they're remixes. I know the critique of that position is "but humans just remix the things they know from the world" but that is the same misunderstanding that those who thought truck driving jobs would be automated by 2018 made about that profession. i.e. The less you know about a field, the more likely you are to believe it will be easy to automate.

Art, in this case illustration and narrative, requires a coherent viewpoint. In literature this is often referred to as the authorial voice. Voice is special because of the uniqueness of the human life behind it, which I realize sounds a bit airy-fairy, but is very true once you start digging into what works and what doesn't. When you read something and wonder why it's so engaging when it's not _that_ much different than other very similar pieces, that's often what's at work.

It's also why some pieces really don't work for some people. The "a kid could draw that" critiques of various modernism styles come from this place.

I don't begrudge people experimenting with art through LLM generation, and perhaps it can be a great tool for scaffolding ideas, I grant that. However, I do worry about the deluge of poorly conceived LLM content that will make the good stuff harder to find. We had a glorious age where the gatekeepers had lost most of their power. With the flood of content about to be released, I'm afraid we'll find ourselves beholden to them once again.

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can see the usage being between parent and kid more than producing best sellers. Or a way to give a kid a cheap but special gift.

Yes, but that's precisely the usage I find upsetting!

perhaps the core idea of the story can still come from you but ChatGPT can help flesh out the details in write it in a compelling manner.
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