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Re: GPT is all you need for the back end

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And you will almost immediately run into the fundamental problem with current iterations of GPT - You can not trust it to be correct or actually do the thing you want, only something that resembles the thing you want. The description in this link puts some really high hopes on the ability of AI to simply "figure out" what you want with little input. In reality, it will give you something that sorta kinda looks like w…

Every time I use it for code, it suggests using APIs that don't exist but definitely look like they could. If asked it can go on in great detail talking about the mundane details completely convincingly of APIs that either don't exist or have completely different structure than what is described. On the other hand it is really good at tasks like "turn this XML in JSON and give me a JSON Schema definition for it".

Treat LLM systems like "Toddlers who know everything, but have NO COMMON SENSE." —Anna Bernstein

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And you will almost immediately run into the fundamental problem with current iterations of GPT - You can not trust it to be correct or actually do the thing you want, only something that resembles the thing you want. The description in this link puts some really high hopes on the ability of AI to simply "figure out" what you want with little input. In reality, it will give you something that sorta kinda looks like w…

An interesting take on AI is that it's just a tool that overcomes some of the quirks of capitalism, and we are impressed with that because we are so deeply entrenched in capitalism. Put differently - every website needs a back-end. 95%+ of websites don't differentiate on their back-end, but they still need to build from scratch since there's no incentive for businesses to share knowledge with unaffiliated businesses.…

>[using probability it] answers your question in the best way possible, based on the results of its training.

In medical school, we were taught Differential Diagnosis, which is the manner which GPs MUST utilize to solve symptoms. This is a probabilistically-determined ranking of what is MOST LIKELY to be the cause, based on how the patient presents [medical symptoms].

A LLM like ChatGPT is already demonstrating can, with a over-worked (&underpaid) GP, filter through many of the "first guess" diagnosis, and prevent unnecessary testing using information that extend beyond the single minds of patient and doctor. These datasets know how every. other. body. has. responded. to treatment... and if they don't now, they will.

The ability for the "Democratization of mental healthcare" has already arrived, and positive, motivations responses that people are already getting from these system (e.g. finding purpose by asking "what GPT thinks [AUTHOR]'s POV on 'the meaning of life'?") is absolutely profound; and absolutely unavailable to the large swaths of men which society so-readily ignored (e.g. veterans). ...until now.

I am glad I did not finish medical school, because the writing was on the was fifteen years ago, and one of the few justification for an expensive doctor's salary now is [from a hospital administrator's view] just a way to distribute liability among the FEW humans that can remain in competition simply by putting-together absolutely esoteric connections.

Peace.

Re: GPT is all you need for the back end

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Even if this is not 100% serious, it is really starting to feel like the ship computer from star trek is not too far away.

Maybe a little off the topic, but I was thinking just the other day that Alexa/Google Home/Siri could be made significantly better if it accepted instructions the way ChatGPT does.

>Audio transcription is not currently available.

My theory on this is that it would confuse the dataset having to both transcribe and then "understand" what was asked. By reducing this single variable [which we all know is technically already possible: audio transcription], the dataset is allowing itself to be trained with less initial noise.

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me: haha cute, but this would never work in the real world because of the myriad undocumented rules, exceptions, and domains that exist in my app/company. 12 year old: I used GPT to create a radically new social network called Axlotl. 50 million teens are already using it. my PM: Does our app work on Axlotl?

Managers: can it Excel?

Human: can it English?

Re: GPT is all you need for the back end

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me: haha cute, but this would never work in the real world because of the myriad undocumented rules, exceptions, and domains that exist in my app/company. 12 year old: I used GPT to create a radically new social network called Axlotl. 50 million teens are already using it. my PM: Does our app work on Axlotl?

Ask Perplexity.AI to explain what Kurt Vonnegut's "Timequake" (1997) computer program Palladio is capable of [spoilers follow]:

>Here's the thing: Frank went to the drugstore for condoms or chewing gum or whatever, and the pharmacist told him that his sixteen-year-old daughter had become an architect and was thinking of droping out of high school because it was such a waste of time. She had designed a recreation center for teenagers in depressed neighborhoods with the help of a new computer pogram the school had bought for its vocational students, dummies who weren't going to anything but junior colleges. It was called Palladio.

>Frank went to a computer store, and asked if he could try out Palladio before buying it. He doubted very much that it could help anyone with ihs native talent and education. So right there in the store, and in a period of no more than half an hour, Palladio gave him what he had asked it for: working drawings that would enable a contractor to build a three-story parking garage in the manner of Thomas Jefferson.

>Frank had made up the craziest assignment he could think of, confident that Palladio would tell him to take his custom elswhere. But it didn't! It presented him with menu after menu, asking how many cars, and in what city, because of various local building codes, and whether trucks would be allowed to use it, too, and on and on. It even asked about surrounding buildings, and whether Jeffersonian architecture would be in harmony with them. It offered to give him alternative plans in the manner of Michael Graves or I.M. Pei.

>It gave him plans for the wiring and plumbing, and ballpark estimates of what it would cost to build in any part of the world he cared to name.

>So Frank [the "experienced architect"] went home and killed himself the first time.

TIMEQUAKE written 1996, published 1997, by Kurt Vonnegut

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I have already been cited, myself, by Perplexity.AI [when I asked "How many transistors does the new Mac Mini M2 Pro have?" — I had provided this citation into the Wikipedia page "Transistor Density" — and this was strange because I know nothing and am now "an expert" (I am not — I just enjoy reading and talking).

When I ask http://Perplexity.AI "What did Vonnegut determine 'what most women wanted'?" and it spits out the perfect Vonnegut answer: A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE TO TALK TO [this is a perfect response; Vonnegut spends pages discussing how having had two daughter and two wives still limits this, but if you force him to answer, it is exactly what Perplexity deduced.

Re: GPT is all you need for the back end

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is going to have all the same problems as letting a bunch of green developers go to town on implementation without a design phase. Except without all the downsides, because GPT can rewrite the whole program nearly instantly. Do you see why our intuitions around maintenance, "good architecture/design" and good processes may now be meaningless? It seems a bit premature to say we don't have anything close when we…

Let's say I'm a bank, how do I know that my APIs don't allow the unintentional creation of money? Presumably because the engineers designed the system to prevent that. They didn't build the system by looking at example API calls and constructing a system which satisfied the examples, but had random behavior elsewhere. They understood this property as an important invariant. More important than matching the timestamps…

Great response that you've written.

It makes me think of Ben Graham's apt observation from his book "Intelligent Investor" (which Warren Buffet and Charlie Munger both know and cite religiously):

"You do NOT want your banker to be an "optimist."

If you do not understand what this means, just ask http://perplexity.ai to explain the idium/phrase/limitless concept(s). No login/signup required [this replaced Google Search, IMHO, for all but the most-specific technical inquiries].

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Lena aka MMAcevedo seems very relevant: https://qntm.org/mmacevedo

Speaking of Lenna, I asked http://perplexity.ai "Who was the Playboy model in the early 1970's that had her picture used as a graphics reference until 'MeToo' determined this was too toxic?"

And is told me about Lenna's name [Lena Forsén], which allowed me to find her wiki page ("Lenna") and re-learn about why us dorks choose anything to do/publish/[make a graphical reference used for decades] and speculated briefly on why this may be controversial to some people.

This is the ultimate "everyday joe has a dumb question" website, and it is nothing but a reflection of a search-inputers ability to form "human" ideas and then see if GPT can make connections. All results, like humans, are NOT brilliant, but you can generate a seemingly-infinite storyboard(s) for a few cents of electricity.

Re: GPT is all you need for the back end

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The average take here is prob to laugh at this, which is fine - but maybe consider, for a moment, there is something to this.

>consider, for a moment, there is something to this.

I have been playing / "teaching" technical people far-more-cabable (but less-human) than I... to play with ChatGPT-like interfaces.

It is so hard to get ONLY_BRAINS to stop asking technical questions [database] and start MAKING CONNECTIONS between their individual areas-of-expertise. To guess a human connection, and then let GPT brute-force a probabilistic response. To get an autistic 160IQ+ person to ask questions better than "why iz sky blu?" and instead be looking more at questions along "why do people care that the sky is blue?"

Because that is a better question, and provides better answers.

Re: GPT is all you need for the back end

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Guys, this is a joke. Don't take it so seriously. Literally the first thing in the README is a meme.

You may not take it seriously, and I may not take it seriously, but it takes one person to read this seriously, convince another person to invest, and then hire a third person and tell them, "make it so", for the joke to no longer be a joke.

Investors know to "sell the shovels" [to use a gold-rush concept] and are investing into well-diversified positions; which include the likes of GPT's capacity: nVIDIA, AMD, TSMC, MSFT &c — these are the shovels which speculators must buy (or utilize via kWh / price of another's GPT-instance), and I assure you is the case.
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