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Docker 2.0 went from $11M to $135M in 2 years

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Re: Docker 2.0 went from $11M to $135M in 2 years

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Post by Raidion »

sac2171 wrote: post #239
orf wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a bit different. The business pricing is 24 dollars a month, so with 150 employees you’re looking at 270,000 dollars a year for a MacOS desktop application. Nobody seriously cares about docker hub. Nobody cares about the SSO, or the access management, or SCIM. Nobody uses anything but the app that makes it simple to run stuff in MacOS. That’s not worth 270k a year.

Is your math right?

Nope. 24bucks x 150devs x 12months = 43,200.

Which is a lot closer to reasonable if it can save you (@ $100 dev/hour) 2.88 hours of work per dev per year, then it's break even.

Re: Docker 2.0 went from $11M to $135M in 2 years

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Post by therealdrag0 »

lopkeny12ko wrote: post #136

I'm surprised Docker Desktop drives so much revenue. As far as I know, it is a Mac and Windows-specific tool. Are FAANG and FAANG-like developers not using Linux machines locally despite deploying production software on Linux servers? Even for enterprise developers who use Mac and Windows, isn't 99% of day-to-day development on a Linux box you SSH into anyways? I've never really quite grasped the need for Docker Desk…

Why would I spend my time on Linux? Most code is platform independent. And why would most time be spend over SSH?

Re: Docker 2.0 went from $11M to $135M in 2 years

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Post by therealdrag0 »

ilyt wrote: post #182
lopkeny12ko wrote: post #136

I'm surprised Docker Desktop drives so much revenue. As far as I know, it is a Mac and Windows-specific tool. Are FAANG and FAANG-like developers not using Linux machines locally despite deploying production software on Linux servers? Even for enterprise developers who use Mac and Windows, isn't 99% of day-to-day development on a Linux box you SSH into anyways? I've never really quite grasped the need for Docker Desk…

There is a myth that software developers are good with computers but that's mostly not the case, hence heavy mac/windows usage, harder to break than someone with linux machine and root. Also Ubuntu kinda breaks more for normal users.

As if we’re being protected from ourselves instead of choosing windows or Mac?

Re: Docker 2.0 went from $11M to $135M in 2 years

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Post by Raidion »

dijit wrote: post #215
HatchedLake721 wrote: post #184

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Amen. This is why I don’t want to sell to developers. “Here’s a solution that will save you hours every month, it’s only $9 p/m.” “$9 p/m???” - asked a developer choking on their avocado toast “That’s the same price as Spotify! Meh, I can develop the same thing myself in 2 weeks.” 2 months later. "Well, it's almost done. At least I won't be wasting $9 p/m."

Its not devs buying these tools in a company context, and devs are not on universally high salaries. I made the point before that these little costs rack up quickly, I can speak to my costs: Gitlab: 19/m Docker: 24/m Slack: 12.5/m Copilot: 19/m Office: 12.5/m Tailscale: 15/m oslash: 6/mo pagerduty: 41/m Jira/Confluence: 26.25/m Calendly: 16/m Bonusly: 4.5/m Snyk: 98/m Figma: 42/m Lens: 20/m Postman: 29/m Sourcegraph:…

These are costs that you have determined are worth it. You don't have to pay for Postman if it's $29 a month, but it clearly saves you >$29 a month of productivity. You feel that Bonusly reduces your turnover just enough to be worth $4.5 a month.

Not saying that people couldn't make licenses a bit more friendly. But saying it's expensive to purchase tools you could just not purchase if they weren't worth it doesn't make sense.

Re: Docker 2.0 went from $11M to $135M in 2 years

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Post by josephcsible »

lopkeny12ko wrote: post #136

I'm surprised Docker Desktop drives so much revenue. As far as I know, it is a Mac and Windows-specific tool. Are FAANG and FAANG-like developers not using Linux machines locally despite deploying production software on Linux servers? Even for enterprise developers who use Mac and Windows, isn't 99% of day-to-day development on a Linux box you SSH into anyways? I've never really quite grasped the need for Docker Desk…

> Are FAANG and FAANG-like developers not using Linux machines locally despite deploying production software on Linux servers?

Correct, because The Powers That Be often won't let them.

Re: Docker 2.0 went from $11M to $135M in 2 years

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Post by fellellor »

thefounder wrote: post #38
warinukraine wrote: post #35

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What's Docker Desktop exactly?

The thing that I have to install on MacOS so that I can run docker. Is there any other way(i.e no gui utility) ?

Rancher desktop (gui), colima (no gui)

Re: Docker 2.0 went from $11M to $135M in 2 years

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Post by josephcsible »

emptysongglass wrote: post #235
lopkeny12ko wrote: post #136

I'm surprised Docker Desktop drives so much revenue. As far as I know, it is a Mac and Windows-specific tool. Are FAANG and FAANG-like developers not using Linux machines locally despite deploying production software on Linux servers? Even for enterprise developers who use Mac and Windows, isn't 99% of day-to-day development on a Linux box you SSH into anyways? I've never really quite grasped the need for Docker Desk…

It's also for Linux.

Sure, it might exist for Linux, but what's the point of using it on Linux? The only reason I've ever ran it on other OSes is because they don't support Docker Engine directly.

Re: Docker 2.0 went from $11M to $135M in 2 years

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Post by Daub »

keewee7 wrote: post #158
roughly wrote: post #142

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What gets me about this is the math doesn't make any sense. Docker charges $10/developer/month. Those developers are paid $150k+/yr, fully loaded to the company (insurance, taxes, accounting, etc) is probably double that, but call it $250k/yr to be nice. You take 3 developers and have them spend a quarter on replacing Docker Desktop, that's nearly $200k in developer costs spent replacing a tool that's gonna cost your…

This article from 2013 might give an indication on why some people choose FOSS even when they can afford the non-FOSS solutions: The licensing. My God, the licensing. It's not so much the money, as the infernal, mind-bending tax code level complexity involved in making sure all your software is properly licensed: determining what 'level' and 'edition' you are licensed at, who is licensed to use what, which servers ar…

Agreed. This effects everyone, event At a simple user level. We have access to Adobe Creative Cloud at uni. Every time I walk into a new classroom, I need to go through the creative cloud academicc licence dance. Sign in, sign out, sign in again, Singh out again la la la.

Re: Docker 2.0 went from $11M to $135M in 2 years

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Post by turtleyacht »

kdrag0n wrote: post #151

Looks like there's a lot of discussion about Docker Desktop alternatives here, so shameless plug: I've been working on a new Linux+Docker+Kubernetes solution for macOS recently! Already has quite a few improvements over existing apps including Docker Desktop, Rancher, Colima, etc: - Fast networking: 30 Gbps! vs. 150 Mbps with Docker VPNKit. Full VPN compatibility, IPv6, ping, ICMP and UDP traceroute, and half-open TC…

May I ask, what language(s)/stack is it written in?

It sounds like it has a ton of great features.

I guess virtualization is its own domain, much like video encoders, cryptography, and systems programming.

Feels like the gateway to those is C and assembly.

Re: Docker 2.0 went from $11M to $135M in 2 years

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Post by kdrag0n »

zy0n911 wrote: post #234
kdrag0n wrote: post #170

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Great question! I wrote a new userspace network proxy/stack in Go, similar to Docker's VPNKit and built it with performance in mind at all levels. What makes it fast is support for modern NIC features that improve performance significantly, similar to those supported by Apple's in-kernel NAT (vmnet) but implemented in userspace. I've made changes to the guest kernel to implement these while working around limitations…

Have you got a GitHub link to this? Would love to take a peek.

Not planning to open-source it, sorry.
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