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Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by schwartzworld »

13of40 wrote: post #166
ilyt wrote: post #135

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> This is, in part, why it's so common for popular submissions to be locked or deleted because "y'all can't behave". But they have no problem digging into downvoted comments and deleting them, even if the system already did the job for them (put the downvoted stuff at bottom and hidden).

Maybe this is already well-known, but I saw another behavior recently on some subrreddits where a lot of new posts are seemingly getting a single downvote to a score of zero. I suspected there was some troll doing it, so I went down the line and gave about 20 or 30 of them a single up vote back to one, refreshed the page, and most of them had immediately gone back to zero. I think the mods must have a button for squa…

Those numbers are fuzzed. You don't see the actual exact number of votes.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by danogentili »

visarga wrote: post #232
danogentili wrote: post #225

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Sure, it's a fun toy to play with, I don't deny it. Like a kaleidoscope, it can be fun to recognize familiar patterns and beautiful colors, but it's nothing more than that: a toy. What I look for in art is intent and human passion; for me, the excitement of suddenly getting a nice number out of a PRNG or a cool story out of GPT is a very different from experiencing a story passionately crafted by a human. When I read…

GPT-3 is a synthesis of written human culture. Whatever it makes, it comes from us. I see it like a magical mirror into the soul of humanity. When it makes a good story I am very happy because it means I found a path into its deeper levels. I'm kind of disappointed with the strict training they put on chatGPT, it is always the same canned formula, almost aways uses phrases like "in conclusion" and "however, ...". The…

> I see it like a magical mirror into the soul of humanity

Cool, next time I read a GPT story with an ending I don't like I'll know to blame the soul of humanity :P

> When it makes a good story I am very happy because it means I found a path into its deeper levels.

I understand the excitement, but again, it's the same excitement of say, finding and correctly executing a cool chess move.

It's not the same excitement of a book ending on an epic cliffhanger, wondering how and if the author will manage to save our brave heroes.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by prettyStandard »

thiht wrote: post #231
blendergeek wrote: post #200

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What the parent is pointing out is that Reddit choosing subreddits for people to subscribe. Sure, I can "create the subreddit with [my] own mods and have the discourse that [I] want". But nobody will see it because everybody is automatically added to the subreddits that Reddit chooses.

> everybody is automatically added to the subreddits that Reddit chooses. No? That’s not how Reddit works, you join the subreddits you want to join

It's called "the defaults".

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by layer8 »

pcrh wrote: post #238
layer8 wrote: post #227

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Supply and demand.

Quite. Then I realized that most art has always been cheap (c.f. "starving artist"), so maybe AI doesn't make _that_ much difference in the end?

It’ll probably allow more people to be starving artists.

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Post by weregiraffe »

seattle_spring wrote: post #134
benjaminbachman wrote: post #2

The only real news here is that Reddit mods are power mad tyrants, which is nothing new at all. AI generated art has just given them newer, funnier ways to be in the wrong.

Fun fact: there's a popular car sub that will ban you for mentioning dealer markups in a disparaging way. That's right: if you say that Joe's Toyota tried to upcharge you $15k for a Camry, you'll be banned for life!

>you'll be banned for life!

Or for the 30 seconds it will take you to make a new account.

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Post by vkou »

ilyt wrote: post #143
ilaksh wrote: post #121

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I was a moderator for r/robots for awhile. I even spent a few hundred dollars hiring an artist to create a theme. I begged them to help me pin down what the subreddit was about since the submissions were all over the place, and some people seemed to think it was for a certain type of robot content and others a different type. Most ignored the question. I tried to share articles and videos of actual leading edge robot…

Good for them. You obviously wanted something else than the actual users.

What he wanted was a community with a specific theme and purpose. What he got was a bazaar of randos showed up to share softcore pornography.

If a bunch of people showed up tomorrow on Hacker News, who mostly wanted to discuss Pokemon, they'd probably be shown the door. I don't see why a person running a subreddit shouldn't be able to do the same thing.

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Post by Seattle3503 »

richbell wrote: post #218
traverseda wrote: post #201

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/r/3Dprinting has no such button for what it's worth. If there is they haven't given it to me.

They've added custom CSS to hide it, it isn't actually removed. You can easily bypass this by disabling custom CSS or using a mobile app.

13of40 was talking about a single button that mass downvotes multiple comments. None of the default (nor popular) clients support this functionality, but you could script your own version using the reddit API.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by drdaeman »

teekert wrote: post #42
onion2k wrote: post #36

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If the goal of a community is to share work, critique each others efforts, and enjoy a hobby together, then someone coming along and pretending that they're doing it while they're not is obviously going to annoy people who are genuine. I see AI-generated art as being similar to taking performance enhancing drugs in sport or using something that's against the rules in motorsports. Outsiders don't really care because t…

Ok, yeah, I can imagine if it's about competition, which it is when humans want to create the most beautiful thing purely with their bodies, that it's "unfair". There are (written and unwritten) rules in any competition after all. Imagine a formula 1 driver installing an AI :)

> Imagine a formula 1 driver installing an AI :)

As an unpopular opinion: I don't watch races, but maybe I would watch that. I mean, Roborace is pretty cool (but it's mostly about the tech rather than racing, and IIRC it's all strictly driverless), I wonder how a man-machine pair would do.

Similarly, I find most sports boring and hardly worth watching (unless in a good company, but then it's not really about the sports), but if some day there would be Olympic Games NG+ without any doping or gear restrictions, I'd most likely check those out with great interest. I do realize there would be tons of drawbacks and nuances involved (and more than a lot of people screaming hate how this is wrong to them), but that'd be a) interesting on a personal level - watching some folks who trained for their whole life isn't really resonating with me - I'm happy for them being beyond good but I can't say I really care; and b) would produce enormous effects on society, in terms of medical and technological advances, just like the space races of the past (and hopefully the future) - I'd surely cheer for that.

Then, I'm a proponent of machine assistance in computer games, too. In my opinion, human bodies and minds are inherent sources of unfair advantage and machine assistance - if equally available to everyone - is the greatest equalizer. Though, of course, I acknowledge that a lot of games are designed solely or mostly around imperfections of human performance (mechanical or perception).

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Post by monocasa »

common-know wrote: post #221
bitwize wrote: post #180

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It's common knowledge now that abstaining from politics is taking the side of the oppressor. This has the effect of giving many subreddits and other topical communities a political orientation even if politics is nominally offtopic. To give an example, it is increasingly hard to find an online knitting community that tolerates conservative viewpoints; most have followed the lead of Ravelry.

No, it's not "common knowledge" that abstaining from politics is siding with the oppressor. That's an unfalsifiable ideological assertion that has been well-socialized, but that doesn't make it fact and lots of people disagree with it, because it's an opinion, and it's one that presupposes a Foucaultian worldview of human dynamics as being able to be distilled down to pure power struggles. It's absurd to see that ban…

It does not "presuppose a Foucaultian worldview". You have centuries of this sentiment permeating culture at the very least.

One example of many:

> Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.

~ John Stuart Mill

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