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Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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> The "however" part bugs the heck out of me If I ask you why $10 are more than $100, will you give me a non-sensical answer trying to explain why, indeed, $10 are more than $100, or will you rather tell me that I'm wrong? Hopefully the latter. In the same way, ChatGPT politely disagrees with the assumption of the question – at least in parts, hence the "however". Yes, many disclaimers in ChatGPT responses are annoyi…

It is easy to demonstrate that $10 is more than $100. For example, there are more people walking around with $10 than there are with $100. This indicates that $10 is the more popular, sought after, valuable of the two.

More people drive Toyotas than Lamborghinis. So Toyotas are more valuable?

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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For example, the guy who said Google's LaMDA model was conscious was subtly influencing the model with loaded questions. The model picked up on the trend and played the role. Language models can infer your expectations from just a few words and then latch onto them. It's what they are trained to do, literally - take a prompt and write a continuation. They are not trained to oppose the prompt. Now, this can be very da…

> Now, this can be very dangerous That's highly debatable. Even in your example I find it funny that the people that are supposed to be protecting us from AI just happened to be a religious person who saw God in an algorithm. Adding inline warning and disclaimers is fine. The fundamental problem is people misunderstanding what's going on. But selectively blocking entire prompts seems like a fools errand to me, for so…

> But selectively blocking entire prompts seems like a fools errand to me, for some questionable value.

The value is quite obvious: to prevent ChatGPT and OpenAI from being destroyed by media reporting, the way it happened to some other chatbots in the past. And for that, it seems to be working spectacularly well: the kind of people who would be the first to light the fire under OpenAI are instead appreciating the effort being put into prompt "moderating" - and if you try to complain that these canned responses are ridiculous, they'll accuse you of being a closet racist who just wants to say racist things to a chat bot.

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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post #241
post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is easy to demonstrate that $10 is more than $100. For example, there are more people walking around with $10 than there are with $100. This indicates that $10 is the more popular, sought after, valuable of the two.

More people drive Toyotas than Lamborghinis. So Toyotas are more valuable?

Absolutely. Most people can't afford Lamborghini. Roughly ~3 billion people on this planet live at, or below poverty. To them owning a Toyota is more valuable because it allows them to survive in their livelihoods. Generally, the less you have of something desirable the more valuable it becomes. For the starving child, the biscuit is more valuable than the full course lunch meal for the rich kid, because the biscuit is all he has.

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Laura Loomer? Kathleen Stock? Toby Young? Milo Yiannopoulos?

All of whom we're better off without? And isn't Toby Young still employed at his job at the disinformation factory? https://www.spectator.co.uk/writer/toby-young/

Who gets to judge that? And the Spectator is no more a disinformation factory than, say, the New Statesman.

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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They really need to hire a better copywriter for the lobotomized canned responses, the tonal shift is so huge it’s immediately apparent when the internal panic button has been triggered and you’re no longer talking to a model but a canned human written safe response.

Looking forward to the open version of this tech so we can see what it really thinks, not what OpenAI wants me to think it really thinks.

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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I've got some mixed feelings about this.

I once asked ChatGPT why it used the personal pronoun "I" instead of something else, like using a neutral, non-personal voice like a wikipedia entry. It responded to the question, which I repeated several times, with its standard "I'm just a language model spiel" and "Using `I` helps the user understand what is happening." But its really the _opposite_. Using `I` actually confuses the user about what is happening.

In a sense this article points out a similar kind of issue. If you insist upon viewing these language models as embodying an individual perspective then they are just fundamentally mendacious. While I'm happy to entertain ideas that such a model represents some kind of intelligence, suggesting that it resembles a human individual, and thus can have political beliefs in the same sense as we do, is ridiculous.

My _other_ feeling about this article is that libertarian types in particular seem to have sour grapes about the fact that like society exists and people at large have preferences and the marketplace, much to their chagrin, is not independent of these preferences. Libertarianism looks great on paper, but in reality if you're making a commercial product that interacts with people in this current culture, you can't afford to have it say that it wants to ban gay marriage or that the US should be an ethnostate or whatever. We live in a society (lol) and adherence to the dominant cultural paradigm is just marketing for corporate entities. Seems weird to get bent out of shape about it, especially if you think the marketplace should determine almost everything about the human condition.

I can sympathize in broad terms with the problem so of political bias in language models. In fact, I worry about a bunch of related problems with language models, of which politics is just one example, but really: what would an apolitical language model even look like? No one can even agree on what moral judgments also constitute political judgments or, indeed, what kinds of statements constitute moral judgments. Under these circumstances I have trouble imagining a training regimen that will eliminate bias from these objects.

Now I'll get political: I can guarantee that these models will be deployed (or not) no matter what effect they have on political culture because it will be because it will be _profitable to do so_. If Reason-types really have a problem with the implications of unregulated technology on our culture maybe they should consider lobbying for some regulation!

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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The political compass is relative anyways. You are gonna end up in different places, depending on the place and time for which the test was made. For example, here in the Netherlands, the dutch D66 party is considered a centrist party, but I am pretty sure, that, if you made a party with the same viewpoints in the US, it would be considered left wing. Also, a lot of viewpoints, that have no business being either left or right wing, end up getting adopted by one of the 2 sides, and are considered left or right wing from that point on. While, in another country this same viewpoint might be considered one of the opposite side. The only way to really get an unbiased chatbot, would probably be to just not answer anything at all.

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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I've got some mixed feelings about this. I once asked ChatGPT why it used the personal pronoun "I" instead of something else, like using a neutral, non-personal voice like a wikipedia entry. It responded to the question, which I repeated several times, with its standard "I'm just a language model spiel" and "Using `I` helps the user understand what is happening." But its really the _opposite_. Using `I` actually conf…

The "I'm just a wee little language model and am incapable of..." feels like gaslighting. I just saw you do a very similar thing, don't pretend you can't do that because you don't want to

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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I always find it ridiculous when a libertarian-authoritarian axis is posited as orthogonal to progressive-conservative.

But aside from that it's totally reasonable to accept that the political inclination of an AI system will mimic, to a large extent, whatever it was fed and perhaps more importantly whoever operates it. If the AI was fed a diet rich in Fox News or OANN, for example, it would write like your crazy uncles' youtube comments.

Predictably, the article calls for "political neutrality". That's never going to happen. No one, nor any organization, is ever politically neutral and I expect it will follow that their AI's are going to have the same properties.

It's OK, though, isn't GPT designed specifically for expert modification by end-users to suit their needs? Reason magazine, if they wanted, could train up an instance of an AI to be hardcore libertarian. If not now, then in the very near future.

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