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Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by mekster »

jenny91 wrote: post #220

I wish Gitlab would just fix up their existing product instead of increasing the surface area. Every month they put out a security release that often contains a couple of "high severity" bugs and every couple of months there's a "critical" one. And they're not rocket science either, simple auth check bypasses and so on. Clearly something's not going right in the culture if you have multiple critical security bugs eve…

It does feel like GitLab is at do everything and do it at 70% efficiency of dedicated tools, zone and with the trend of being slow and constant bugs, the internal must be too complicated for developers to grasp and that kind of project can never get out of that trend unless rewritten efficiently.

Gitea is a good example of, do less stuff and do those well zone.

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by yencabulator »

whatever1 wrote: post #149
greatgib wrote: post #35

I don't understand that girls is letting that going when they pretend to care for OSS. Microsoft is in the embrace phase, there is not a major forge that will remain that will not force to use their things. Then they will be able to start with messing things, like requiring proprietary extensions to lock down the thing. I guess a lot of people here don't remember the good old time of Visual Studio on Windows.

VScode’s killer feature is its remote development capability. Its prevalence could had been averted if Linux folks were not that stuck in command prompt editors for ssh work, and lecturing beginners about their incompetence to learn the keyboard commands of vi. At some point there was some work in forwarding UI via X11, but it was very clunky and slow. The Remote Desktop capabilities of Linux are also atrocious for r…

And VSCode's remote plugin is proprietary, and FOSS is explicitly forbidden from using it. So we're back at "they pretend to care for OSS" and "Microsoft is in the embrace phase".

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by yencabulator »

kristopolous wrote: post #218
xigoi wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they really liked open source now, they would open-source all their software, or at least all their new software.

open source as a for-profit business is hard. Most for-profits in the space have a closed source commercial product somewhere in the mix. They've got quite a bit open source right now. It's not bad. Compare with Adobe, Oracle, Intuit, Apple, ... not the worst.

What profit does Microsoft make from VSCodium being forbidden from using the plugin store? How much did you pay for your VSCode?

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by aniforprez »

nicce wrote: post #37
terminal_d wrote: post #31

Anyone think there'll be another editor that'll surpass VSCode, similar to how VSCode surpassed Atom (and others)? I used to think that there would be one, but now I'm not so sure.

JetBrain's Fleet looks very promising. Does many things better out of the box than VSCode with gazillion of extensions. Too bad that popular keybindings are not supported properly yet.

As of writing this comment, Fleet doesn't even have an option to render leading whitespace characters. Fleet does almost nothing better out of the box right now. It's incredibly slow to load projects, slower than VSCode to start (tested on an M1 mac), has a fraction of a fraction of the settings and features and no extension support. There's a LONG way to go

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by solardev »

jdthedisciple wrote: post #227
coreyog wrote: post #163

A buddy sent me this article a few days ago: https://ghuntley.com/fracture/ If I hadn't read it, I might think Gitlab incorporating vscode was a good thing.

Seriously no time to read this. What's the TL;DR?

Damn, that is a seriously long article lol

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by kristopolous »

yencabulator wrote: post #243
kristopolous wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

open source as a for-profit business is hard. Most for-profits in the space have a closed source commercial product somewhere in the mix. They've got quite a bit open source right now. It's not bad. Compare with Adobe, Oracle, Intuit, Apple, ... not the worst.

What profit does Microsoft make from VSCodium being forbidden from using the plugin store? How much did you pay for your VSCode?

I'm not familiar with that ecosystem. I'm an old neckbeard who tries to stay open minded. You'll see me with vim or emacs. Yes I use both.

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by number6 »

another_devy wrote: post #230
jdthedisciple wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously no time to read this. What's the TL;DR?

TL;DR (meta phrased) Microsoft is forking VSCode open source community by split licensing for source code and and official build of VSCode. If you build by yourself you can’t connect to VSCode is marketplace. This allows them to fully control VSCode telemetry and reporting along with use on platforms such as Gitpod. It’s similar to how Apple controls apps on iPhone and in turn control how much you need to pay them if…

It's always the same: Microsoft seems to have turned and got away from its evil image, then they turn their all they have done good into more evil.

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by Aaron2222 »

abhijat wrote: post #107
notpushkin wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure why, but nobody I know uses this setup – everybody has 2–3 separate IDEs (one for backend, one for frontend etc). The initial reason behind having separate IDEs for every language, or so I was told, was using different keybindings. This way, XCode users could easily switch to AppCode, Visual Studio users – to Rider etc. – without the need to re-learn anything. (This is the reason I still have Atom keybin…

I may be mistaken but AFAIK plugins are not always at feature parity with the full jetbrains IDEs. For example the rust plugin in intellij did not support debugging but the one in CLion did (I think this is fixed now). The python plugin in intellij was a little inferior to Pycharm for Django (pycharm had deeper support for the django ORM) and so on.

CLion isn't the best comparison here, as there are some architectural differences between CLion and the other IDES (IntelliJ, PyCharm, WebStorm, etc), which is the reason there isn't a C/C++ plugin for IntelliJ.

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by ranguna »

Everyone hating on vscode because it's maintained by Microsoft... Vscode is an amazing IDE with amazing extensions, and the core part of it is FOSS. I use vscodium and connect to the real marketplace, guess what, it works. Does it break some license, sure, but it works.

I'll wait for Microsoft to send me court order, until then, I'll happily use copilot and a bunch of other extensions with vscodium.

Worried about extensions calling home with telemetry?

Block those calls on your dns.

Worried about some extensions that only work in vscode?

Wait for someone to reverse engineer them and pirate them, or wait until someone does a FOSS version of them, or do it yourself. Those last two point is how open source works.

So I think people just found another thing to complain about without any serious arguments. Vscodium is FOSS, telemetry stripped out with alternative FOSS extensions and a possibility to fallback to non open source extensions. It's great because it works and does not completely lock you out.

Sure you have to break Microsoft licenses when you try to install one of their closed source extensions, but as I said above. I'll be patiently waiting for Microsoft to put me in court.

If this is their plan for the extinguish phase, my god does Microsoft have a thing or two coming their way. They made it way too easy for the average dev to just do what they want this time.

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by shortgiraffes »

throwawayJA1820 wrote: post #36
kavalerov wrote: post #20

This looks really great, and nice to see both Github and Gitlab moving in this direction - ability to have IDE in the browser is great for many use-cases. However, I am a bit worried that it looks like most of these companies and up using VSCode. It really needs to have a good competitor in this space, and I hope JetBrains can match that eventually with partnerships of their own.

Replit should create a whitelist version of their product and offer it as web editor

Took me a couple seconds to think of it, but the word you're looking for is 'white label'.
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