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Re: Ron Paul speaks against SOPA

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>But the South was. Yeah, was . Past-tense. The federal government has a wonderful history too in this regard. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears >Canada and Switzerland are simply much less diverse Switzerland has four official languages . It's also right next to Germany, which has a history of racism that would scare a Mississippian. Canada, too, has plenty of diversity; 16.2% of people belong to a visible…

The beginning of the "states right" movement in the 60s (1860s or 1960s, take your choice), was primarily motivated by race. Cletus was not an austrian economist. I think the post you're replying to is going a little too far but there absolutely is a connection between states' rights and racial issues. That's why the stuff in the newsletter is resonating. Those who are in favor of states' rights on other issues (as I…

Any centrally controlled system will edge one way or another compared to decentralized units. If you take one example (a specific race issue) and generalize, then you'll conclude (as you seem to have done) that centralized control is superior.

The benefits of a large shift in power toward the states are too numerous to list, but to name a few:

- Look at the issues discussed in national political campaigns. They are unduly biased by the issues relevant to swing states, and candidate promises (and laws) end up exerting federal control over swing state issues simply to help candidates win Federal office.

- Voter empowerment. The washington establishment is so big and unwieldy that it takes lots of money to get one's voice heard. With increased power at the state and local level, individuals could more easily focus their activism efforts in ways that would create the biggest benefit.

- The biggest issue is experimentation. With 50 different "experiments" in democracy (state laws) there is hope of actually realizing that a law is bad. Our current system picks a single winning approach before any has been tried and then loyal partisans stick to it and ignore all evidence. How much better would it be to observe how 50 different entities solve similar problems. Like any optimization problem, this might at times be a less efficient approach, but it'd do far better at global optimization.

Re: Ron Paul speaks against SOPA

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You really believe connecting two computers would not happen without government "bootstrapping"? I hope this is not a serious position. I personally enjoy your simplistic vision of how an economy works. It's as simple as having the government water little seeds of innovation, and to simply hand it off to the "free market" to flourish and capitalize. You see, entrepreneurs operate in a market , in which they compete t…

See my other response on this thread. My comment here was based entirely on what actually happened, not some theoretical view of how economies work in the abstract.

My comment here was based entirely on what actually happened, not some theoretical view of how economies work in the abstract.

Then you aren't allowed to speculate abstractly on how economies work. You are relying on one data point with no control group.

Re: Ron Paul speaks against SOPA

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I don't understand how you can attribute "sane = I agree with" to that poster. What evidence do you have for that? I think it would also be reasonable to attribute "insane = courting disaster by inviting unintended consequences". I would posit that "insane" and "broken" are problematic in civil discourse, as these words tend to evoke strong emotions. However, if one ascribes to, "insane = courting disaster by invitin…

> I don't understand how you can attribute "sane = I agree with" to that poster. What evidence do you have for that? His original sentence: > he is talking about something none of the other candidates are talking about: returning freedoms and sanity to America It's a cheap rhetorical trick. "Sanity" is defined as what his favored candidate wants to do, no? > I would posit that "insane" and "broken" are problematic in…

It's a cheap rhetorical trick. "Sanity" is defined as what his favored candidate wants to do, no?

It depends. If Ron Paul were to reverse his views on positions where individual rights and freedom are the foundation, do you think the original poster would still support Ron Paul?

If your answer is no, then he's clearly not defining "Sanity = What favorite candidate wants."

If the answer is no, then the original poster is guilty of ineloquence and inadvisable word choice. By the same token your position is misattribution of the other poster's motivations.

Re: Ron Paul speaks against SOPA

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The beginning of the "states right" movement in the 60s (1860s or 1960s, take your choice), was primarily motivated by race. Cletus was not an austrian economist. I think the post you're replying to is going a little too far but there absolutely is a connection between states' rights and racial issues. That's why the stuff in the newsletter is resonating. Those who are in favor of states' rights on other issues (as I…

Any centrally controlled system will edge one way or another compared to decentralized units. If you take one example (a specific race issue) and generalize, then you'll conclude (as you seem to have done) that centralized control is superior. The benefits of a large shift in power toward the states are too numerous to list, but to name a few: - Look at the issues discussed in national political campaigns. They are u…

You're missing the point - I'm making a historical point.

I'm generally of the opinion that more states' rights is generally better as long as it doesn't create a game-theory zero-sum clusterfuck of misaligned incentives, like taxes for crossing state borders or something like that. Some things need a federal guarantee but many can/should be devolved to the states.

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> He's not a libertarian, he's a states rights guy because he wants the power to do things like ban abortion in Texas. This is not inconsistent with libertarian thought. Protecting life from violence is a primary responsibility of government. If you believe that the fetus qualifies as a life at any point between conception and birth, you would be against abortion. Simple as that. If you want to fault him for believin…

The fetus is trespassing on the women's body, and it would be self-defense to remove the invader.

That's only going to work in US politics if someone can figure out a way to remove the fetus witha gun.

Re: Ron Paul speaks against SOPA

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I think you're missing Paul's philosophy on the matter. His perspective on Federal government is that it's outside their jurisdiction to dictate morality. The constitution already states that all people are made equal; more laws are not necessary to enforce the issue. It's not marriages that he wants to abolish, but government-issued licences for it. The government should have no say whatsoever in defining what a mar…

You're still totally ignoring the point. Marriage can be made equitable. It can be done either via abolishing marriage licensing altogether, or via making marriage licenses equitable. Ron Paul believes it's better to keep marriage licensing discriminatory versus equalizing them. If this were a world where government entitlements were available only to white people, and Ron Paul took the position "I'm opposed to doing…

Yes I believe that because as a libertarian he would oppose using state power to give one group an advantage over another.

A libertarian is happy to allow any two or more adults to marry should they wish to do so. A libertarian just asks that no one's marriage is recognized by the state because it's not a matter that the state should be involved in. Can you really say that after gay marriage is legal everywhere (which will never happen) that marriage is actually equal? What about polygamists? I'm perfectly happy to allow them to obtain licenses to get married but it seems easier to just say government has no proper role in what is a private affair. This seems to make your case even better because it just removes from politics what is not a political issue.

Re: Ron Paul speaks against SOPA

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You're lying. That's why you're being down voted.

It is not a lie. Rev. Kayser endorsed Ron Paul's campaign[1][2] he also advocates murdering homosexuals[3]. [1] http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:JXXloeP... [2] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/28/phillip-kayser-ron-... [3] http://www.biblicalblueprints.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01... EDIT: In re to nirvana's misreading of my comments below: > To claim that Ron Paul endorses murdering homose…

To claim that Ron Paul endorses murdering homosexuals because some random religious guy who does, endorsed his campaign is a lie.

That's like saying Ron Paul is pro-choice because I'm pro-choice.

Re: Ron Paul speaks against SOPA

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A few points to mention.. there is most definitely a federal law against murder: US Code Title 18 Section 1111. I'm also concerned with your statements regarding abortion et al. These are serious issues that significantly impact people's lives. We shouldn't have a "playground" or a labyrinth of "mini laboratories" for such issues. What's to stop a state, say Alabama for hypothetical purposes, from testing out slavery…

I'm on my tablet right now so it's a little difficult to type lengthy responses, but hopefully these are sufficient. First, it specifies a death penalty for Murder 1st Degree -- but we all know that there are plenty of states (most?) in which you cannot be killed for this. So there's a contradiction. Actually, it isn't a contradiction. The wording for part B (which you are referring to) states "Within the special mar…

Regarding murder and federal police powers:

Your explanation appears correct, but I'd want to understand the larger framework around the whole thing. Because, taking a step back and looking at the big picture, it is certainly true that the federal government does not have general police power. See, e.g.,

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In United States constitutional law, police power is the capacity of the states to regulate behavior and enforce order within their territory ... Under the 10th Amendment to the United States Constitution, the powers prohibited from or not delegated to the Federal Government are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people. ...

Because the Congress has limited powers granted in the Constitution, the Federal government does not have a general police power, as the states do. The exceptions are laws regarding Federal property and the military; the Federal government was also granted broad police powers by the Interstate Commerce Act of 1887.

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To start the discussion, do you believe that the collective taxes of one state should go to benefit another?

There are two ways that I can answer, depending on exactly what you mean.

If you're talking about the application of federal revenues, then I think it's OK for a given state's residents to pay more in taxes to the federal government then they get back in terms of services, etc. For example, we do like to have interstate highways spanning across those large, sparsely-populated states. This clearly demands a model for spending that doesn't necessary allocate spending in lockstep with revenues. Similarly, the federal need to secure borders demands that more federal money be spent in border states.

However, I fear you might instead mean that, in a more decentralized system, state revenues could be redirected to other states. For example, in the absence of significant federal aid for education, it's likely that not all states would be able to subsidize public education in the same way. I would not support any forced redistribution of taxes from one state to another for such purposes. Not only do I believe that it's morally wrong, but I think it also ruins the potential for those mini laboratories. For example, the Massachusetts attempts at healthcare reform were crappy examples for the federal government to follow because their success (inasmuch as they were successful, which they were not, but the politicians like to pretend that they were) depended significantly on the use of greater federal Medicaid funding, and thus the rest of the country has been underwriting Massachusetts plan.

There is no reason why federal legislation can not give leniency to the states.

It's certainly true that our legislators could patch NCLB to fix its most glaring failures. However, they almost certainly will not address the flawed premise on which the whole thing is founded. They virtually never say "we were wrong, let's undo this", they'll keep patching and duct-taping more to the side of it to shore it up. And this interferes with finding an approach that really is better.

fortunately this administration is putting into place several policies to fix the fundamental issues of why NCLB didn't succeed.

If you're referring to what I think you are (Obama granting waivers to states based on his own criteria) [2], what Obama is doing is almost certainly illegal. The Congress, and only the Congress, has the power to set the laws. In some cases the President may have some discretion, like he could instruct DOJ to stop prosecuting people for marijuana violations. But there's no question that the President does not have the authority to simply discard terms of the laws as Congress passed them, and insert his own.

I'll note that this is becoming habitual with him. He's been doing it for some time already with waivers for ObamaCare, and there's further talk of IRS rules re-writing part of the ObamaCare rules governing federally-created exchanges.

EDIT: and this is precisely the kind of usurpation of power that your "living document" philosophy permits, and I believe is necessary to stop. The government is leviathan. It grows and grows. You may think that an instance of such growth is good or advantageous, but that's fleeting, because a little ways down the road your opponent will have a chance at the reins, and morph those powers into something that will damage you.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_power

[2] http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/93414/arne-duncan-obama-...

Re: Ron Paul speaks against SOPA

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The economist has a great write-up of Ron Paul: http://www.economist.com/node/21542199/

How was that a great writeup when it discounts him in the first paragraph, using adjectives like wacky, radical, no-hoper and quirky? I was expecting it to be an objective look at Ron Paul's policies by Economist.

I think it is a rational take on how the US generally views him.

Re: Ron Paul speaks against SOPA

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Which ban? All I can find is his support of DOMA, and the Marriage Protection Act, which would have prevented Federal judges from ruling on the constitutionality of DOMA.

I've seen assertions he supported the DOMA, but he didn't vote for it, so he couldn't have supported it very much. http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1996/roll316.xml Further, he supports human rights in virtually every context, including marriage. Paul wants the government out of the marriage business. Obama wants the government in the marriage business, AND he wants to keep gay marriage banned. Thus if support of DOMA is y…

Yet he co-sponsored a bill that would make DOMA impossible to get rid of in any way. That doesn't count as much as voting for it?

Also: "If I were in Congress in 1996, I would have voted for the Defense of Marriage Act," So there's why he didn't vote for it or against it, or even abstain.

http://web.archive.org/web/20070207225148/http://www.house.g...

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