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Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by HWR_14 »

vleon42 wrote: post #35

I am torn actually unsure on what would be morally correct: 1. I, as an individual, am allowed to deny entry to persons I dislike from my private property. 2. I, as an individual, am allowed to deny entry to persons affiliated with a business I dislike from my private property. 3. I, as a business owner (eg: a restaurant), am allowed to deny entry to persons I dislike (eg: a previous patron who was violent) from my b…

It should be noted that (3) is not true. You cannot deny entry to black people because you are a racist, for instance. You can deny someone who was previously violent, for the violence. Not because you dislike them.

This is similar to

5. I, as a government, can lock up people who engage in behaviors I dislike (e.g. because they were violent.)

6. I, as a government, can lock up people who are affiliated with groups I dislike (e.g. political groups not in power)

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by kayodelycaon »

TomK32 wrote: post #228
kayodelycaon wrote: post #214

This reminds me of an incident that showed up in one of my college courses: A forklift driver who got fired for drinking Budweiser. He worked for a company that Miller Brewing company contacted with and a newspaper took a photo of him at a public event drinking Budweiser. Different situation, same kind of pettiness and retaliation.

https://journaltimes.com/news/local/he-had-a-bud-light-now-h... Fired for driking Bud Light. Is that even beer I ask as a German...

I don't think whether or not Bud Light is beer is relevant to the story.

And to answer your question, yes, it is beer, as defined by https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-27/chapter-I/subchapter-A...

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by mindslight »

TomK32 wrote: post #228
kayodelycaon wrote: post #214

This reminds me of an incident that showed up in one of my college courses: A forklift driver who got fired for drinking Budweiser. He worked for a company that Miller Brewing company contacted with and a newspaper took a photo of him at a public event drinking Budweiser. Different situation, same kind of pettiness and retaliation.

https://journaltimes.com/news/local/he-had-a-bud-light-now-h... Fired for driking Bud Light. Is that even beer I ask as a German...

It depends on how drunk the horse was.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by pixl97 »

tedunangst wrote: post #215
hnlmorg wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. For me, the issue is that this restriction is upheld at point of entry and not point of sale. I get it’s a harder problem to restrict who tickets are sold to, but if a venue like that wants to get petty about who can attend their shows then the responsibility is on them to communicate that before the event. To flip this another way, in any other normal circumstance, when you get banned from a venue you’d get…

I'm not sure why everyone is assuming she was denied a refund.

Well, I'm sure she was refunded or that would be another part of the suit.

Now, look at these 2 situations.

"Hello, I see you are buying this ticket, but since we're not going to let you enter we will prevent you from buying it"

is much different from.

"Hello, I see you got a baby sitter and took an uber to come down here and now we're refusing you access to a place you had a ticket for, on a reason you could not have possibly predicted"

There is an accrual of many other costs on the second one that are not refunded.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by HD103720b »

vleon42 wrote: post #35

I am torn actually unsure on what would be morally correct: 1. I, as an individual, am allowed to deny entry to persons I dislike from my private property. 2. I, as an individual, am allowed to deny entry to persons affiliated with a business I dislike from my private property. 3. I, as a business owner (eg: a restaurant), am allowed to deny entry to persons I dislike (eg: a previous patron who was violent) from my b…

To me its pretty straight forward because this is how social credit systems start.

This is a slippery slope.

Facial recognition matched with digital currencies is a real serious problem.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by nemacol »

tyingq wrote: post #203
1970-01-01 wrote: post #169

A lawyer was banned from seeing a popular show for reasons entirely unrelated to physical safety, with an FR twist. She then hit back at their liquor license. Who's got popcorn??

The hit back at the liquor license (which apparently requires admitting the general public, with only very specific exceptions) sounded pretty clever to me.

Clever but a clear sign that we have no protections on the books for anything like this.

That someone needs to resort to clever liquor license dispute adds to the dystopian feel of this story.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by tomp »

tomatotomato37 wrote: post #108

Everyone always goes for the discrimination angle, but what frightens me is that like other modern automated tech of this decade the facial recognition used here probably has a horrendous false positive rate which most institutions will none the less treat as the final truth. Unrelated this is also why I fear most of this new AI stuff so much despite working in the field; the accuracy rates on these things in product…

They didn’t ban her on the basis of face recognition. She just got flagged by security, after which they asked for her ID and banned her on the basis of her real identity.

So the chance of false positives is minimal.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by pixl97 »

baandang wrote: post #218
advisedwang wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your totally ignore the key element here: a new technology is allowing denying entry at a whole new scale. Nobody really has an objection to organization blocking a single individual who is might cause trouble. But blocking an entire class of people is a) newly enabled* and b) much more harmful to society. If a venue kicked out a lawyer who was actively working on a lawsuit against the venue, nobody would bat an eye.…

I just picture someone worrying about people dialing phone numbers while driving in the car in 1990? What a stupid thing to worry about since obviously the cord won't be long enough. People aren't going to want to have a phone on them at all times anyway and risk possibly breaking or losing the phone. It will just hang on the wall like the rotary phone in a stand so you know where it is but you won't have to worry ab…

While I'm not sure of the historical accuracy of the following article, well, many people should have realized that by the 90s.

https://thenewswheel.com/history-of-the-car-phone/

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by beebeepka »

TomK32 wrote: post #228
kayodelycaon wrote: post #214

This reminds me of an incident that showed up in one of my college courses: A forklift driver who got fired for drinking Budweiser. He worked for a company that Miller Brewing company contacted with and a newspaper took a photo of him at a public event drinking Budweiser. Different situation, same kind of pettiness and retaliation.

https://journaltimes.com/news/local/he-had-a-bud-light-now-h... Fired for driking Bud Light. Is that even beer I ask as a German...

Got warrant?

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

monksy wrote: post #71

So I have been rejected and "banned" from a MSG venue. It's not fun, and it has nothing to do with your behavior. It was at the Chicago Theather and it was the Chris Rock show back in 2017. I bought the ticket, I don't believe that it had any special restrictions [this was a long time ago], the ticket had no indications about the "phoneless"/phone encasing demand. The event page didn't say anything about this. Howeve…

> Ultimately I lost that 80$

Why didn't you chargeback for services not received?

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