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PG/YC: banned me from Bookface, kicked me out of the email groups from the 2 YC classes I was a part of (which happened to be their #1 and #2 most valuable classes - coincidentally), and Reddit is one of the most censored places on the net (easy to get something to go viral, but then it's flagged by anon mods unless you participate in payola).

I still give out "Hackers and Painters" to high school kids, but the recent reputation of YC toward free speech is laughable.

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Possibly malicious enforcement by Twitter staff in light of https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604593057676300288 “Casually sharing occasional links is fine, but no more relentless advertising of competitors for free, which is absurd in the extreme”

How many malicious employees do you think would be left at this point? There have been massive layoffs, and anyone who didn't like Musk or the "extreme hardcore" could have taken the severance.

Content moderators can’t switch jobs so easily.

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I miss the Elon Musk of a decade ago.

He was totally better at masking a decade ago, I'll agree with that.

There is also the fact that some people change over time. Not saying Musk wasn't always like this, but it's possible that he wasn't before, and turned into it over time.

Like my mother always used to say: "You're a liberal now, but when you get older you'll be more conservative!". Not that she was right about me, but in general I think she was right that sometimes people change.

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Relevant context: * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34040165 : Promotion of alternative social platforms policy (help.twitter.com) * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34041985 : Paul Graham is leaving Twitter (twitter.com/paulg)

He said in that second thread that he is not actually leaving Twitter.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but it appears that he was after all.

Re: Twitter suspends pg's account [fixed]

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Is is possible this is some sort of "lesson" about the dangers of platforms being able to arbitrarily ban stuff, that will be revealed in a week or two? It almost seems like the exact opposite of everything Musk was implying about a low-censorship platform. It's almost hard to believe that Musk/Twitter are at serious at this point

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Ideological battle comments like this are off topic, regardless of which you're battling, because they have nothing to do with the curious conversation we want here and indeed are destructive of it.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

Re: Twitter suspends pg's account [fixed]

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Free speech!

This is not exactly free speech issue, because Twitter does not ban based on political preferences/opinions.

This is dishonest competition (all other major companies do the same but not as blunt: Facebook, Google, Amazon for example). Twitter could be an exception. But it won't.

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post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many malicious employees do you think would be left at this point? There have been massive layoffs, and anyone who didn't like Musk or the "extreme hardcore" could have taken the severance.

> anyone who didn't like Musk or the "extreme hardcore" could have taken the severance If they aren't held hostage by a H-1B visa.

Right, but if you're still there because you can't leave, then you're not going to do something stupid to get yourself immediately fired, like going rogue and suspending Paul Graham's account.

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He didn't link to his mastodon at all, did he? Twitter is one of the reasons I became an engineer - I was able to follow and see the mutterings of indie game devs in Copenhagen (vlambeer, if anyone knows them). 15 year old me responded the most inane things to their posts, but it exposed me to work ethics, communities, and possibilities in the computing world I never would have found growing up in Kentucky. I taught…

> He didn't link to his mastodon at all, did he?

Very indirectly. He mentioned that his mastodon handle was at his site, which was linked in his twitter bio, and had said handle as the first line (excluding sidebars); only the handle, no links at all, but it's trivial to construct the link given that piece of information.

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This is amazing. He basically said, he'd return if elon comes around, and wishes him the best. And just said "my mastodon is on my website". No violation of those new "TOS" of any kind. https://mas.to/@paulg seems to have been hugged to death already :)

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No, it's not clearly a violation. From Elon Musk:

> Casually sharing occasional links is fine, but no more relentless advertising of competitors for free, which is absurd in the extreme.

That was very casual and not at all an example of relentless advertising for competitors. It's also extremely dubious that PG was trying to evade Twitter enforcement.

Re: Twitter suspends pg's account [fixed]

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Possibly malicious enforcement by Twitter staff in light of https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604593057676300288 “Casually sharing occasional links is fine, but no more relentless advertising of competitors for free, which is absurd in the extreme”

I wouldn't be surprised if the employee who did this gets fired as a result of this. In fact, I'd be shocked if @paulg isn't reinstated within 48 hours (as they did with Taylor Lorenz a few hours ago.) All of Musk's previous interactions with Graham suggests that their relationship is friendly. And if there's one thing we've seen from Elon Musk's Twitter, it's that he's not hesitant to fire Twitter employees.

> > All of Musk's previous interactions with Graham suggests that their relationship is friendly.

Mohammed bin Salman invited 30 of his closest friends to discuss public projects before arresting them and torturing them in the Ritz Carlton

Don’t ever fall into the trap of anthropomorphism of autocrats

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