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Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by jacurtis » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 2:35 PM UTC

tasty_freeze wrote: post #55

Sadly, my daughter got scammed earlier this year. She is a recent college grad from a liberal arts school, and had been working six months doing retail work after graduation. Looking to make use of her degree, she was excited to get a job offer doing remote work as an office coordinator. She has a dog so working from home was a plus, and $25/hr instead of $16/hr doing retail was a big raise. She not only lost $3000 f…

At least your daughter went through a full interview, which does add a layer of legitimacy.

The most shocking element of OP's story is that he never actually got interviewed by a real person. He filled out a questionaire, received no feedback from it other than "You're hired at 12.5% more than you're asking". This to me is the biggest red flag of all leading up to the actual "ask" to cash the check and send funds.

It seems odd to get a job for $90k /yr without ever meeting someone from the company. Even if that actually wasn't a scam, I would avoid taking a job for a company like that. How good are your co-workers going to be if they are just hired based on a text-based questionaire and a prayer?

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by ChoGGi » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 2:36 PM UTC

ipaddr wrote: post #84

You know it's fake because the company hasn't made you sit through 6 interviews with random panel guests then ghosted you for 3 month then low balled you and put a 24 hour expiry on the offer. Bonus credibility points for only giving half of the question during the whiteboard session only to casually remember remember at the very end while grading harshly for missing that. If the offer hasn't been rescinded at least…

He asked for 40 they counter-offered 45 :)

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by throwoutway » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 2:37 PM UTC

> If you have any advice please send it to me.

I would submit this to law enforcement. Wire fraud is a crime that is often investigated, and the more examples of these scams they have the better.

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by stavros » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 2:38 PM UTC

ChoGGi wrote: post #240

stavros wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the real domain is already taken by the real company.

One look-alike letter in the domain is all you need.

I guess, but autonatlon.com kind of sticks out.

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by pimlottc » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 2:42 PM UTC

jpoesen wrote: post #101

aerovistae wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would he send them money though? Like what was the given reason why he would be sending them anything?

My friend, if you have time to ask for a tl;dr and ask follow-up questions, you have time to read the original post. Off you go.

The original post here is just a long string of original documents and background information, leaving the reader to read the entire thing to piece together what happened. Providing a summary in the introduction is a key part of effective communication.

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by deepspace » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 2:45 PM UTC

skilled wrote: post #225

I haven't gone through all the comments, but am I the only one in here who doesn't want to read past 2nd email? If someone sent me some shady email address, then that shady email address sent me a message saying, "Hey it's me that shady email address owner, but I can't get to it, so I am using ANOTHER shady address." Someone convince me this post of his is not a waste of time.

It's a waste of time. The idiot fell for the most obvious of scams. Apart from the fake email addresses, the first line of the first email reads: "Our company AutoNation received your resume and application in respect of our job posting". That weird phrasing just screams scam. Every conversation with the "company" after that gets worse and more scammy.

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by tlogan » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 2:46 PM UTC

One thing what does not help is that legit companies and businesses act as scammers. I receive also a valid calls from companies and email which look 100% as scam.

Just recently I got call from hospital about upcoming my procedure (I did not answer — all unverified calls go to vmail) and when I called back the hospital and they had no clue. But it was a valid call: they outsourced all these things to company x which outsourced that to company y. All they cared is that company which does this have HIPPA compliance - all other things (unverified phone numbers, central system, etc.) whatever.

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by IshKebab » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 2:46 PM UTC

alanfranz wrote: post #136

zorrolovsky wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This post seem to blame victims for the problem, and that is not fair. People can be in dark places mentally, struggle with disease, family issues, etc. Not everybody is mentally sharp 100% of the time to identify a scam attack and fight it back. The problem is not victims, the problem is scammers. There should be better mechanisms to quickly clamp down on them. In this case, it would be really good if there was a me…

^ this. I was scammed about EUR 1500 some 7 years ago. It didn’t seem a scam: the price for an item was low but not too low, the identity of the seller I could verify. But the item ultimately didn’t arrive, and I didn’t know that for italian law it’s considered an “unfulfilled contract” rather than fraud, and requires a civil rather than a criminal case, which would turn out far too costly. But the point is: I didn’t…

That's what small claims court is for. Hopefully it doesn't happen to you again but if it does you can take them to small claims court. You don't need to pay a lawyer. It costs far less than €1500.

That's what it's called in the UK anyway. I assume Italy has something equivalent.

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by evandale » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 2:46 PM UTC

skilled wrote: post #225

I haven't gone through all the comments, but am I the only one in here who doesn't want to read past 2nd email? If someone sent me some shady email address, then that shady email address sent me a message saying, "Hey it's me that shady email address owner, but I can't get to it, so I am using ANOTHER shady address." Someone convince me this post of his is not a waste of time.

Yeah, I don't know how I would have gone past that point. There's also the weird capitalization of words after commas and "Screening Test/Interview Questions" and if you do bother to make it past email two it changes to "Screening test/Interview Questions" and really bad grammar in general.

Those kinds of silly mistakes are nearly intolerable on resumes, why would it be acceptable for a hiring manager or HR to communicate using horrible grammar?

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by ngc248 » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 2:46 PM UTC

snotrockets wrote: post #41

nigamanth wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, he gets the job and then they suddenly run into a lot of errors and whatnot and he has to pay their check. When he tells them its a scam, they start questioning him lmao. Look at their bad grammar in the full conversation though, this was the last dead giveaway.

It's not bad grammar. It's just not American English.

Even Indian English follows grammatical rules, the difference would be the words used, idiomatic sentences etc.