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Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by superfrank »

s2radhak wrote: post #125
andreyk wrote: post #12

TLDR: this post is entirely to calm advertisers, it can be boiled down to "don't worry, we still prioritize brand safety like before". It does have this gem in it: "What has changed, however, is our approach to experimentation. As you’ve seen over the past several weeks, Twitter is embracing public testing. We believe that this open and transparent approach to innovation is healthy, as it enables us to move faster an…

that blurb you quoted is just twitter rationalizing for Elon's red-bull fueled tweets to "improve twitter"

Lol, red bull...

Elon's late night tweets always make me think of that scene in The Office where the new CEO (James Spader) decides to close one of the branches without telling anyone and when asked about it he goes "I got into a case of Australian Reds... and... How should I say this, Colombian whites"

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by lesuorac »

andreyk wrote: post #12

TLDR: this post is entirely to calm advertisers, it can be boiled down to "don't worry, we still prioritize brand safety like before". It does have this gem in it: "What has changed, however, is our approach to experimentation. As you’ve seen over the past several weeks, Twitter is embracing public testing. We believe that this open and transparent approach to innovation is healthy, as it enables us to move faster an…

> TLDR: this post is entirely to calm advertisers,

How though, Twitter has had week(s) to prepare this post and its so bare.

> First, none of our policies have changed. ... The team remains strong and well-resourced.

If you're Eli Lily, why would you re-advertise on twitter. Nothings changed from when you stopped!

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by lancesells »

dexterdog wrote: post #221
w0m wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> using Tesla car owners as unpaid betatesters Almost right. Charging Tesla owners to beta test their autonomous driving software.

Almost fully right. Charging and risking Tesla subscribers to beta test their autonomous driving software.

So close. Charging and risking Tesla subscribers along with everyone else on the road to beta test their autonomous driving software.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by chasd00 »

trs8080 wrote: post #200
toolz wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which rule following accounts on the left have been banned since musk bought the company? I only know of a couple accounts that were banned for very clearly violating terms of service, i.e. impersonating other people. I personally don't agree with even those bans, but I am curious to know which rule followers were banned.

"As the Los Angeles City Councilmember Mike Bonin noted on Twitter, the suspended users include Chad Loder, an antifascist researcher whose open-source investigation of the U.S. Capitol riot led to the identification and arrest of a masked Proud Boy who attacked police officers. The account of video journalist Vishal Pratap Singh, who reports on far-right protests in Southern California, has also been suspended." "Al…

> antifascist researcher

doesn't that just mean someone who doxes people they don't agree with? Great, i'm glad he helped arrest a criminal but the ends don't always justify the means.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by sayrer »

jzelinskie wrote: post #21
andreyk wrote: post #12

TLDR: this post is entirely to calm advertisers, it can be boiled down to "don't worry, we still prioritize brand safety like before". It does have this gem in it: "What has changed, however, is our approach to experimentation. As you’ve seen over the past several weeks, Twitter is embracing public testing. We believe that this open and transparent approach to innovation is healthy, as it enables us to move faster an…

Twitter was previously doing A/B tests. Spaces, communities, downvotes, circles, and even moderation were applied only to a subset of accounts while they actively experimented. The new policy is an objectively less scientific approach to testing functionality than what was occurring before.

A/B tests are pretty problematic for social networks, since anything effective can also influence the control group. They are excellent for single-player activities like shopping carts and signup flows.

"Network Experimentation at Scale" from Facebook describes how difficult this problem is. Most A/B test frameworks don't reach this level of sophistication. It does make some sense to just ship things if you don't have time to build out something like that. (disclosure: I worked at Twitter long ago)

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by alfor »

So much hate here about Musk. I am very hopeful about the future of Twitter since Musk bought it.

I can’t wait to see the evidence of corruption of Twitter, but it was already visible to all conservatives.

I think that in a few months it will be already a great success.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by linasj »

MangoCoffee wrote: post #32
monero-xmr wrote: post #18

First Twitter was going to crash in a week, then it was everyone would flee to Mastodon, now it’s that all the advertisers would leave. Maybe Twitter really didn’t need 7500 people, and maybe having more voices speak is a good thing (there is always block button), and maybe advertisers won’t flee forever. That seems more likely to me than Twitter imploding.

Twitter cutting down the bloat and going start up mode is probably the best thing. Twitter before Musk isn't any better than after Musk.

Twitter after musk is welcoming misinformation https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63796832 - this means worse.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by eachro »

sdrinf wrote: post #165
typest wrote: post #102

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This isn’t true. Science is ultimately the scientific method — make a hypothesis, test a change, observe the results, repeat. It’s an algorithm for learning and broadly gaining information about reality. It can equally be applied to things having to do with humans and things not having to do with humans.

Not gp, but there's a significant kink when this applies to humans; namely, that humans have the ability to reflect on publicly known outcomes, and change their behavior en-masse in light of information so gained. I put this earler in the phrase "reflection completeness": https://sdrinf.com/reflection-completeness ie there are things which stops working when people know about it. In particular with A/B testing, this…

Most companies (or at least the ones doing things properly) will also have a long running retro test to see if impact persists (new test group = don't use the new changes).

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by threeseed »

spamuel wrote: post #189
cyberphobe wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.newsweek.com/activists-accuse-elon-musk-banning-... mentions a few, although there are far more.

You need to be more specific - he wasn't banning George Takei or Occupy Democrats. He banned ANTIFA accounts that were being used to plan "direct action", ie: riots. Something that was previously against Twitter's TOS, but it wasn't being enforced specifically against ANTIFA accounts because Twitter employees were sympathetic to the cause.

> He banned ANTIFA accounts that were being used to plan "direct action", ie: riots

Please provide evidence that accounts like Chad Loder were posting about imminent, direct actions to riot. I followed that account pretty closely for the last month and saw none of that.

I would think about your comment because this is pretty defamatory.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by chasd00 »

bluescrn wrote: post #140
cyberphobe wrote: post #100

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Elon is pretty clearly unbanning violent right-wing extremists while banning rule-following accounts on the left, sometimes transparently at the direction of the right wingers. Why do you insist on pretending anything else?

Same game as always, but now the other team now has the ball. With a propaganda weapon as powerful as Twitter, it's probably better for everybody if it's destroyed, rather than continues to be used/abused to escalate political divisions by either side of the great divide. And that seems to be the way things are going. It should never have been taken so seriously to begin with.

> it's probably better for everybody if it's destroyed

At first I hoped Musk would see the nightmare, give up, just pull the plug, and go home. I think that's out though, now I hope it collapses under its own weight. Hope dies last.

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