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Are you saying this is false and crowd shots are still shown? Are you in China right now?

You don't need to be in China to dubunk those. You just need to do some independant research easily, say by visiting the CCTV video site. Knowing some Chinese helps, but it won't stop anyone who is determined to find the truth.

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"Minority Oversight Staff" AKA the senate republicans. Sorry, they're not a credible source on anything scientific. This makes me think it was a natural accident even more, frankly.

Thanks, this is the kind of information I'm after.

So, the Senate is not a trustworthy source of information? I'm not clued up on US politics so I really have no idea how the system works, upper/lower houses, senate is lower? Like the house of commons in the UK?

e.g. could an analogy be this is like a small party of Brexiteers making a document on how leaving the EU is economically a sound idea? There is no requirement for it to be evidence-based?

Finally, have you read the document and is there anything in particular that is egregiously incorrect? Just because we don't agree with someone's political stance on something doesn't mean what they're saying isn't necessarily true.

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do we know what the Party line is about this? Do they, for example, blame western propaganda, involvement etc?

We don't really know much at all. Comment from CNBC: "It was not immediately clear whether the protests reached a meaningful scale in a country of 1.4 billion people, or whether a wide demographic participated" I've seen pro government social media commentators say that the second half of the Foxconn worker statement was not reported by western media, but I won't pretend I know one way or the other. Given that just y…

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I find much more interesting how Twitter is now flooded with accounts which are suddenly posting NSFW escort tweets containing Chinese city names in Chinese characters and one account is able to post 3000 tweets in 24 hours to flood search results with nonsense. https://twitter.com/dong_mengyu/status/1596749168462401536

No surprise, the new CEO fired the team responsible for detecting and taking down bot accounts. Previously these teams were taking down 500,000 bot accounts every day, which suggests that Twitter might be accumulating 3.5M bot accounts every week.

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Yeah. When people in mainland China saw all the unmasked foreigners at The World Cup it spawned a lot of ideation. I'll summarize the ideas I've seen floating around the Chinese internet: - It's a money-making scam by the COVID test manufacturers - It's a money-making scam by the temporary quarantine center manufacturers - It's a failure of bureaucracy ”层层加码” - It's a ploy to increase the depth of state surveillance…

This might be a Ceausescu moment for Xi. I just do not understand why he did not “declare that China won against COVID and how CCP is great”. (If there is a problem with vaccination rates, the CCP has tools to make that happen. Yes Sinovax vaccine is not very effective but with 3 doses it will cut death rates by 90% or so.) So the question here is really why Xi decided to keep zero-COVID. Maybe he is not so smart? Or…

I assume it is a common human failure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost#Fallacy_effect

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What is going on with China's continuing zero-covid policy? Either it's the most expensive face saving exercise the world has ever seen, or they know something about it that we don't.

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I wouldn't call a partisan congressional report a trusted source.

More importantly, I'm not sure what difference it makes. China is pursuing zero COVID because there's an extreme amount of vaccine hesitancy among their elderly population. Nearly half of elderly Chinese people haven't had any vaccine dose at all.

The truly perplexing thing is that they've chosen to be authoritarian about lockdowns and quarantine rather than just mandating the vaccine.

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It is obvious at this point that China's "zero covid" policy has nothing at all to do with public health. What many of us do not want to admit, is that our leaders have taken advantage of the crisis for their own benefit. I think most western media is reluctant to report on what is happening in China, because it would start uncomfortable conversations at home. Seeing the Chinese government so nakedly use what's left…

Sorry - you so far off base here. There has been ample reporting about China in the western media and none of your conspiracy related thought process is translating to anything that's happening in the West. If anything its promoting the narrative that the Western response to the pandemic was highly successful.

What I said stands.

I never said that our media does not criticize China. Of course they do. But they tiptoe around criticizing China in a way which could expose our own hypocracy.

Western media has been pushing the narrative that any level of force by the government is justified, because the pandemic is such an existential threat. They are reluctant to report that the Chinese government is then using excessive force, because it would make people question whether our government over-reacted as well.

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What is going on with China's continuing zero-covid policy? Either it's the most expensive face saving exercise the world has ever seen, or they know something about it that we don't.

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If we had the same media landscape back in 1986 as we have now, I am convinced that Chernobyl would have been framed as nothing more than an unfortunate naturally occurring radiological phenomenon, having nothing at all to do with the nearby reactor meltdown.

Anyone who said otherwise would be said to be spreading dangerous and untrue misinformation, and should be permabanned from everything. And you're probably spreading problematic anti-russian racism, too.

Whatever you do, don't hoard iodide tablets or geiger counters, because that will just start a panic. Meanwhile, our elites hoard radiation protective gear for themselves.

Facebook and Twitter would work feverishly to delete any videos people uploaded of the evacuation.

And you would be gaslit for saying that perhaps the nuclear meltdown had something to do with the radiation. And perhaps the corrupt and authoritarian government cut corners and allowed this to happen.

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What is going on with China's continuing zero-covid policy? Either it's the most expensive face saving exercise the world has ever seen, or they know something about it that we don't.

I'd guess it's mostly about saving the face instead admitting they were wrong and you can't outrun COVID anyway, just postpone infecting whole population.

But honestly, if I were XJP worried about losing face I'd cancel all restrictions and sell it as China's success since they were able to wait out more dangerous variants and now they can let it spread with harmless Omicron. But that time passed though now with protests it will show him as weak listening to protesters, which could give ideas also to other people who might think protests will work.

Though losing face reason is minor, the real reason for COVID zero are health codes and total control over population. Sure, even before you could make one's life difficult without WeChat/Alipay access, but now you can legally imprison anyone not having health code and you can track all their movements and put them under home imprisonments, so very efficient way against protesters, well at least it was until now.

Let's not forget these widespread protests are still completely negligible compared to Chinese population, even if just 1% of Chinese protested that would make like 14M people and total number of protesting people right now will be closer to 140K, so basically nobody participates in these protests, so unless people will get courage and start protesting en masse nothing will really change, certainly nothing about CCP role, the very best scenario is lifting meaningless COVID restrictions and even that's way too optimistic.

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