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Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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Post by goodpoint »

ranguna wrote: post #215
goodpoint wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't blame Linux developers for the behavior of OEMs and your choice of hardware.

So now it's my hardware's fault that my battery is better on Windows than on Linux? Come on... That's like saying: this piece of software is great but only under very specific conditions, everything else is non standard and you can't complain.

> is my hardware's fault that my battery is better on Windows than on Linux?

If the OEM provides spec/drivers/assistance to microsoft and not to anybody else, yes, it's their fault.

Even more so if collaboration is done only under NDA. And it's been happening for decades.

(Pretty sad that nowadays HN does not even understand such basic stuff)

Also, no need for the snark.

> everything else is non standard and you can't complain.

No, you can first get a correct understanding and then complain to who is really responsible.

Again, no need for the snark.

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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Post by ranguna »

goodpoint wrote: post #241
ranguna wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So now it's my hardware's fault that my battery is better on Windows than on Linux? Come on... That's like saying: this piece of software is great but only under very specific conditions, everything else is non standard and you can't complain.

> is my hardware's fault that my battery is better on Windows than on Linux? If the OEM provides spec/drivers/assistance to microsoft and not to anybody else, yes, it's their fault. Even more so if collaboration is done only under NDA. And it's been happening for decades. (Pretty sad that nowadays HN does not even understand such basic stuff) Also, no need for the snark. > everything else is non standard and you can'…

Specs for Microsoft?

You do know there are open and closed source drivers on Linux, right?

OEMs develop stuff for Linux as well, it's just that they don't have a lot of incentives to do it properly, since most of the user base is on another OS.

So no, it's not a hardware issue, the hardware is great. It's a software, business and culture issue that companies don't have incentives to develop consumer grade software for Linux and that Linux hasn't implemented proper performance/efficiently core support, proper egpu support, seamless hibrid graphics support, etc. Because all those tend to be stuff that the general consumer wants and not things servers would use.

I encourage you to explore more around what you say before disregarding other people's opinion with "nowadays HN does not even understand such basic stuff" when you yourself haven't even given it much thought, please. You don't need to be so snarky either.

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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Post by thro1 »

And such basic stupid mistake: the corner keys are easiest to hit and power key is not the most often key used (by me at least) - I expect INS and DEL at that place.. (power key can't be reprogramed).

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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Post by darthrupert »

solardev wrote: post #179
nextos wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's not. Keep in mind in Linux, desktop environment means a big framework such as GNOME or KDE that runs on top of X or Wayland, i.e. a graphics server. You can run bare X or Wayland, plus a window manager and cherry-picked daemons, to achieve the same sort of functionality e.g. desktop notifications, network roaming or device automounting. My point is that bare X plus cherry-picked services tends to be much mor…

Mac: Battery life sucks, let's make our own chip to make it better Windows: Battery life sucks, we'll try to improve the software and maybe use a different CPU Linux: Just turn off your desktop and recreate its functionality using a dozen command line daemons and selectively run graphics only when you need it. It worked in DOS, why not now? lol and we wonder why desktop Linux never came... I've seen a lot of Linux ap…

You're not understanding the point at all. The best Linux environments lose the complexity without losing functionality.

Sure, the setup might require some skill, but professional, high quality tools always do.

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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Post by bilekas »

solardev wrote: post #179
nextos wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's not. Keep in mind in Linux, desktop environment means a big framework such as GNOME or KDE that runs on top of X or Wayland, i.e. a graphics server. You can run bare X or Wayland, plus a window manager and cherry-picked daemons, to achieve the same sort of functionality e.g. desktop notifications, network roaming or device automounting. My point is that bare X plus cherry-picked services tends to be much mor…

Mac: Battery life sucks, let's make our own chip to make it better Windows: Battery life sucks, we'll try to improve the software and maybe use a different CPU Linux: Just turn off your desktop and recreate its functionality using a dozen command line daemons and selectively run graphics only when you need it. It worked in DOS, why not now? lol and we wonder why desktop Linux never came... I've seen a lot of Linux ap…

This did give me a chuckle! I think the user base is different though from the OP.
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