Your Organization should run its own Mastodon server • Hacker News Board

Re: Your Organization should run its own Mastodon server

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Post by afavour » Thu, Nov 10, 2022, 12:10 AM UTC

EricE wrote: post #189

afavour wrote: post #158

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No but changes have been announced. Fundamentally altering what the "blue tick" means alone will give e.g. major brands pause. As of Tuesday (or whenever they actually launch it) someone will be able to register the Twitter account @C0ca_cola and pay $8 to give it a verified checkmark. If I were Coca-Cola I'd be quite concerned about that.

>As of Tuesday (or whenever they actually launch it) someone will be able to register the Twitter account @C0ca_cola and pay $8 to give it a verified checkmark. And what are you basing that assumption on? Where did he say that for $8 anything goes? If anything he's been very plain that was NOT going to happen, yet people like you still are willing to assume the worse? Again, based on what specifically?

Two days later this hasn’t aged very well, has it?

Re: Your Organization should run its own Mastodon server

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Post by veqq » Fri, Nov 11, 2022, 10:10 PM UTC

BlueTemplar wrote: post #193

afavour wrote: post #41

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> If the idea of federated Twitter was so good and so important why did everyone seemingly only get interested in it right now? It involves work. Before Musk's takeover Twitter was reliable, predictable and somewhat boring. Now it is none of those things, for better or worse. I think people see federation as a means to avoid a similar outcome in the future. > Now that Elon owns it, well, now it sucks and is bad. I me…

Not to forget the TwitterAPIpocalypse of 2012 (?), when Twitter heavily restricted its programming interfaces, which decimated the ecology of companies that were built around it, like Flattr (1.0). I surmise that's not unrelated to Mastodon's release in 2016 ? For instance : IFTTT forced to remove Twitter triggers to comply with new API policies : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4550625

April 2013

Re: Your Organization should run its own Mastodon server

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Post by wizzwizz4 » Sat, Nov 12, 2022, 8:25 PM UTC

seydor wrote: post #53

anderspitman wrote: post #34

Yes. But even more important is software like Mastodon needs to get easier for people to selfhost, by about an order of magnitude. It shouldn't be any more difficult or less secure to run your own Mastodon instance than it is to run an app on your phone. In my vision of the future internet, when you upgrade your phone, your old phone gets plugged into a power socket and USB drive in the corner and becomes your new se…

should be wordpress-level easy at least. But last i checked it wasnt easy. Otherwise , mastodon hosters will become sneaky corporate spies, ad injectors and data resellers

Friendica (https://friendi.ca/) is Wordpress-level easy; it's got a similar stack.

Re: Your Organization should run its own Mastodon server

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Post by mola » Tue, Nov 15, 2022, 7:08 AM UTC

pessimizer wrote: post #172

mola wrote: post #133

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I would be much more afraid of a world where the major public square is privately owned and governed by a single individual with a proven history of public manipulation. Identity politics is just a stupid sideshow, a distraction. A private Twitter?.that's terrible. 100 times Bezos WaPo. It's the ball park of Mordoch publuc manipulation.

You're posting this on a site privately owned and run by an unaccountable billionaire. > a proven history of public manipulation. It's better when people say that they don't like Musk, than pretending there's some sort of higher political principle here. People don't have trouble believing that objectors don't like Musk, and disagree with him politically. The trouble is in the appeal to principles that never come up…

Did I defend bezos? I gave him as an example for the same thing I'm calling out musk for.

I'm just saying that Musk owning Twitter is that times 100(a made up number, obviously) because:

1. Twitter somehow became the place where most "journalists" get their news from.

2. Politicians spread their propaganda at

3. Musk has no scruples about public manipulation and abusing his power. He is set on whatever made up vision he has, and he'll do whatever it takes to get there.

Why won't he use his control of where journos and politicos create the public discourse? How is that not just expected? His company, his rules, no?

BTW you turning me calling out Musk as somehow diminishing Bezos damage is hardly in good faith. Same as your godlike mind reading , that I just hate musk and turning to principles is me hiding that fact.

Try to assume I'm speaking in good faith, it leads to much better discussions.

Re: Your Organization should run its own Mastodon server

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Post by disintegore » Tue, Nov 15, 2022, 1:16 PM UTC

guelo wrote: post #92

disintegore wrote: post #56

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Mastodon and ActivityPub in general have UX issues. I can't imagine trying to explain to non-technical users why they have to open a pop-up window to another website just to be able to follow someone, or why people keep changing handles, etc etc. For most people using social media outside of the context of a professional organization, it also means trusting whoever operates the instance, most of which will probably b…

In the first week Musk has already shown that his Twitter will erratically push out poorly thought out policy changes on a whim. Definitely not giving "reliable" vibes.

It's crazy how well this comment aged.