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Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by 93po »

legohead wrote: post #170
bedast wrote: post #65

Musk is openly antagonistic to any kind of regulation and regulatory bodies. This is all a game to him. Any fines he faces are the price of having fun, to him. It's why whether Twitter succeeds or fails is a moot point. He doesn't actually care about Twitter. It's a toy. It's an RC plane he's flying around, right now, and it's just a matter of time before he intentionally aims it into the ground to see how big of an…

I considered this purchase a miscalculation on his part. After he bought 9% of twitter, he wanted to do some market manipulation like with Tesla. Only he got burned last time, so he attempted to do it legit with his "offer". He never expected them to actually accept. And why he tried so hard to back out. However, now that it's done, I don't doubt his earnest or abilities to drive twitter forward. In any case it will…

There is zero evidence for literally anything you're saying and your accusations are completely baseless.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by czbond »

insanitybit wrote: post #218
czbond wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the U.S. for security purposes - you definitely cut off email access before actual termination. Employee actions are unpredictable, and poses a legal & liability risk to the company. Not a lawyer, but employees are only required email access for all if company policy say they must. Usually the policies say access can be removed at any time for any purpose the company management desires, because they are, after all…

> In the U.S. for security purposes - you definitely cut off email access before actual termination. This is done on the scale of hours, not months.

It's done on the scale of whatever time frame the management think the risk exists. In this case, if management thinks that risk exists for months - still acceptable.

While unusual, if management needs to end the employment of staff but is precluded in doing so by law.... the only thing Twitter must do is provide normal compensation & benefits, nothing else. Under employment contracts, the employee must do whatever the employer deems acceptable (within legal limits, or leave under their own will.)

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by pessimizer »

nemo44x wrote: post #95

It's so funny to see this like it's actually serious. There's a reason why whenever you see big layoffs you see that everyone impacted by it is granted severance of a few months pay, etc. People act like Twitter is the first company to do layoffs. This is super common and has happened to numerous tech companies in the last month. But of course, Space Man Bad.

And it's especially common once somebody new takes over. And in this case, plenty of Twitter was openly hostile to Musk. That they're upset that they won't be retained to help him implement an agenda that they disapprove of is an entirely cynical ploy.

Sucks to lose your job because management changed to someone you can't live with, but it would also suck to work a job with management you can't live with.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by pessimizer »

scarecrowbob wrote: post #37
Turing_Machine wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musk is worth $220 billion. At $1.85 million/day, he'd go broke in only 325 years. I don't think it's a major worry for him.

I have seen a lot of sentiment wonder "why some people do not like Elmo Musk". This fact is probably something close to why I personally don't like the guy: he comes across as a personified avatar of the fact that laws don't really apply to folks with those kinds of resources, and that us peons have literally no recourse when faced with a rich person who wants to do whatever they feel like doing.

This is why you should hate your society and its values, not Musk.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by yakak »

hcurtiss wrote: post #144
nathanvanfleet wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's almost as if Elon is being sued to ensure that he follows through with his obligations, since he's so consistently doesn't. Strange. It's like there is a purpose to the lawsuit.

That's a textbook sanctionable offense. Lawyers don't get to bring prophylactic frivolous claims.

If a reasonable person can't figure out what has happened in a job contract they can treat the other side as at fault and any competent court sides with them.

Was this incorrect notification process or a lock out? Both are at odds with the job responsibilities and benefits.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by 988747 »

legohead wrote: post #170
bedast wrote: post #65

Musk is openly antagonistic to any kind of regulation and regulatory bodies. This is all a game to him. Any fines he faces are the price of having fun, to him. It's why whether Twitter succeeds or fails is a moot point. He doesn't actually care about Twitter. It's a toy. It's an RC plane he's flying around, right now, and it's just a matter of time before he intentionally aims it into the ground to see how big of an…

I considered this purchase a miscalculation on his part. After he bought 9% of twitter, he wanted to do some market manipulation like with Tesla. Only he got burned last time, so he attempted to do it legit with his "offer". He never expected them to actually accept. And why he tried so hard to back out. However, now that it's done, I don't doubt his earnest or abilities to drive twitter forward. In any case it will…

If he wanted to manipulate market then just the rumor about the purchase would send stocks higher. In fact, after his announcement on April 14th, Twitter rose 7.5% on the next session (18th). No need to actually sign the deal to make few hundred millions of dollars.

On the other hand, how would he cash out his gamble? You cannot announce that you want to buy 100% of the company stocks, and then start selling off the 9% that you already have, that would be a dead giveaway that the offer is not serious.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by pb7 »

adastra22 wrote: post #68
pb7 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not how lawsuits work. You don't sue someone for something they might do with zero indication that they will. When you buy a company headquartered in California and elect to layoff half of it, you probably know your legal obligations.

That is exactly how lawsuits work. They can be used to get a legal judgement to force a party to Cary out a contract when there is reason to think the other party wouldn’t otherwise comply.

>when there is reason to think the other party wouldn’t otherwise comply

There is no reason to think that here: https://www.businessinsider.com/read-blunt-email-telling-twi...

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by r-w »

hcurtiss wrote: post #144
nathanvanfleet wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's almost as if Elon is being sued to ensure that he follows through with his obligations, since he's so consistently doesn't. Strange. It's like there is a purpose to the lawsuit.

That's a textbook sanctionable offense. Lawyers don't get to bring prophylactic frivolous claims.

What’s stopping them?

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by insanitybit »

czbond wrote: post #242
insanitybit wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In the U.S. for security purposes - you definitely cut off email access before actual termination. This is done on the scale of hours, not months.

It's done on the scale of whatever time frame the management think the risk exists. In this case, if management thinks that risk exists for months - still acceptable. While unusual, if management needs to end the employment of staff but is precluded in doing so by law.... the only thing Twitter must do is provide normal compensation & benefits, nothing else. Under employment contracts, the employee must do whatever t…

Are you an employment lawyer? You're making a lot of assertions about what's acceptable.
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