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Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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post #150

Can't wait to see that hot takes from the free speech absolutists who have never experienced that first-hand on a platform they frequent regularly. We already know what that looks like, it's 4chan/8kun/etc and surprise, it's absolute shit.

>4chan/8kun/etc and surprise, it's absolute shit ...for you, 4chan is one of the last places on the internet that feel like the old internet, organic, unfiltered, raw. If you can't handle it, there is Facebook for you.

> If you can't handle it, there is Facebook for you.

And Twitter. Similarly if you don't like the filtered environment of these communities there is 4chan/8kun/etc. So then this is a solved problem and all the hand-wringing around the moderation on these platforms is unnecessary?

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

#242
Nilay Patel is a national treasure. Every word is true, but especially this:

>The essential truth of every social network is that the product is content moderation, and everyone hates the people who decide how content moderation works.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No offense, but I see this a lot from folks claiming they got banned but they never say exactly why and keep it as vague as possible while claiming innocence.

Did you read the post? I dont know why, they wont tell me. Its just a generic "you violated our rules about offensive content/abuse/self-harm and suicide" or something like that. Then a link to where you can get help if you have some kind of mental breakdown. They actually twisted this as If I was suicidal so they can ban me for my own protection. But I would bet a monthly salary some triggered long time twitter user…

Can you copy and paste your 20 or so comments in that 3 month period so we can come to our own conclusions on whether a ban was warranted or not?

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read the post? I dont know why, they wont tell me. Its just a generic "you violated our rules about offensive content/abuse/self-harm and suicide" or something like that. Then a link to where you can get help if you have some kind of mental breakdown. They actually twisted this as If I was suicidal so they can ban me for my own protection. But I would bet a monthly salary some triggered long time twitter user…

I read your post and it’s still vague as written so it’s not very convincing as an indictment against their policy. I’m not making a claim you are lying, it’s simply not enough to come to reach a conclusion it was all a big misunderstanding.

I'm sure you heard phrases like "Dead people don't lie" or "Dead people don't complain" These are so self-evident they pretty much can only be sarcastic.

Unfortunately (but probably intentional) they do not allow some way to publicly prove these cases of "bad moderation". Yet there is plenty evidence that they get it wrong all the time. For example thebabylonbee is still banned.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Can't wait to see that hot takes from the free speech absolutists who have never experienced that first-hand on a platform they frequent regularly. We already know what that looks like, it's 4chan/8kun/etc and surprise, it's absolute shit.

Somehow I don't feel bad about 4chan .. it's all just complete absurd mayhem but there's no agenda.. Whereas any twitter storm feels a lot heavier. Super strange.

ps: also I don't follow 4chan much, so maybe there were grave events on there

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

#247
post #3

My first thought when Musk bought Twitter was "His engineering has team figured out content moderation" but I've seen no evidence or talk of that. So I think it's true that he impulsively bought himself his worst nightmare.

He's going find it's tough growing a company without a constant flow of government contracts and subsidies.

You mean like he did with Zip2 at over $300 million, and X.com at over $1.5 billion? As far as I know Starlink isn't getting subsidies either. Tell us about your experience at growing companies - do you know something about this that Elon doesn't?

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

With the government? Yes. Within a community? It's more complicated than that. Is someone coming into a community posting the n-word or just being incredibly abrasive/offensive "pushing the line" or just being a troll? Online communities get to set their own rules and if you want to buck that trend then try to get support to change those rules or create your own community where you can make the rules.

Initially, I was confused by what you meant by the word "community". Now that I see that you mean online community in the sense of an online forum, then yes, pushing the line may necessitate someone's removal. After all an online community is in almost every case hosted on private property. However, there is a problem that mostly is evaded or goes unexamined with many of these arguments: Does a community (in the gene…

> Does a community (in the general sense of the word) have the right to actively police/censor the content of an individual or group of people on the Internet in their own community (such as in the case of Kiwifarms)?

Does Facebook or any other community have a right to take KiwiFarms off the net? Obviously not. Is Facebook, Cloudflare or any other company allowed to decide that they want nothing to do with content like KiwiFarms and refuse to do business with them? Absolutely.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think most people that are happy about Elon taking over aren't free speech absolutists in the sense of the term you're using it. Rather they're just tired of blatant censorship some individuals face when expressing an opinion that goes against popular politics of the time. There's a middle ground between allowing literal nazi's to do whatever they want and blatantly influencing discussion on a mass scale by silenci…

Maybe they aren't but they are very vague and hand-wavy about the "blatant censorship". Without specific examples of what is being "censored" it's incredibly difficult to have a good-faith discussion on this. I'm much more forgiving of a handful of on-the-line or even "decent" content being removed if it's the exception not the rule. Like it or not a ton of moderation is fully or nearly fully automated since there is…

Unless you live in a cave you cannot possibly be ignorant of the multiple accounts of Twitter censoring people’s discussions. Examples? A quick search on Fox News:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-double-standard-hunter...

https://www.foxnews.com/us/critics-twitter-censorship-obitua...

https://www.foxnews.com/tech/media-company-grabien-suspended...

https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-suspends-jordan-peters...

https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-facebook-censor-trump-...

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Yeah, I think this absolutely nails it, and what I find interesting is that in all the time this acquisition has been up in the air Musk has failed to ever engage in the detail of how to address these issues. Elon Musk is interestingly probably the worst person to run Twitter, because whilst the previous guys running twitter weren't very competent, they had their product and they were navigating through issues under…

> Musk has failed to ever engage in the detail of how to address these issues

Do you mean engage publicly, or engage even privately within his own teams?

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