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Post by sitzkrieg »

vbezhenar wrote: post #216
throwup wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That can't be the whole story. If we assume the drive can write 500MB/s (conservative), and an OS install takes up 50GB of space (conservative), it should take less than 2 minutes to write the partition. Where does the other 58 minutes go?

I wondered the same about Linux installers. I'm installing some kind of debian minimal which will take 300 MB on disk. It should be installed in a fraction of the second. Instead it takes minutes. All installer should do is: dd pre-assembled Ext3 filesystem from ISO to disk; extend filesystem to the desired size; write some configs like fstab. It could be really fast. My guess is that nobody really took the time to o…

thatd work if it wasnt for (some) settings of course. but even then, image and then update /etc and friends and done but here we are

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by yodsanklai »

zestyping wrote: post #16

Countless person-years of engineering effort, and Spotlight is still mostly useless. All I want is to hit Command-F to quickly search the filenames in the current folder (not start a sluggish scan of my entire hard disk). There used to be workarounds for this, but then they removed "Find by Name..." from Finder just to make our lives harder. Does anyone know a workable alternative?

> Spotlight is still mostly useless.

I use it all the time to run binaries. For instance, "cmd-space mail". I wouldn't know the names of the files I want to search anyway.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by russellbeattie »

ngrilly wrote: post #63

To switch to another window, we already had Command-Tab, Mission Control, Expose (now part of Mission Control if I understand correctly), and also clicking on the icons in the Dock. And now we have Stage Manager. I had to use Windows 10 as my main workstation for a few weeks at work, and I'm starting to think windows management is – perhaps – one of the rare things Windows does better than macOS. But of course I shou…

My ability to accidentally hit Command-Q instead of Command-Tab, even after years of doing it astounds me. You'd think muscle memory, or at least the size of the keys would give my fingers and brain a clue, but nope. Some apps will give you quit prompts but many just disappear instantly, leaving me befuddled about what the hell I just did.

I assume some Chrome product manager is as clumsy as I am (bless their heart), so it will insist you hold down the Q key. If only that was the default.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by rubyist5eva »

sbuk wrote: post #239
faluzure wrote: post #13

Very curious to know if Venture + VM + Linux + Steam is a setup that'll work with the new VM support. I kind of want to play some old school windows games, but I don't want to pay for parallels.

Try UTM https://mac.getutm.app

Not OP but offering perspective: I've tried it and it's so painfully slow that I just coughed up the money for parallels.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by sitzkrieg »

lilyball wrote: post #31
zestyping wrote: post #16

Countless person-years of engineering effort, and Spotlight is still mostly useless. All I want is to hit Command-F to quickly search the filenames in the current folder (not start a sluggish scan of my entire hard disk). There used to be workarounds for this, but then they removed "Find by Name..." from Finder just to make our lives harder. Does anyone know a workable alternative?

No they didn't. Find by Name… still exists. It's ⌃⇧⌘F (ctrl-shift-cmd-F). You might have missed it because it's a dynamic menu item (Find turns into Find by Name… once you press ⌃⇧). Tip: Use the Help menu to search menu items. I just pressed ⌘? and typed "Find" and Find by Name… popped up.

very intuitive /s

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by runjake »

throwup wrote: post #205
runjake wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because on newer Macs, it’s rewriting the whole OS partition with a new firmware image, much like iOS and IPSW files. Windows, on the other hand, generally does incremental upgrades.

That can't be the whole story. If we assume the drive can write 500MB/s (conservative), and an OS install takes up 50GB of space (conservative), it should take less than 2 minutes to write the partition. Where does the other 58 minutes go?

I jumped on the upgrade bandwagon quickly this morning and the entire upgrade took about 15 minutes on my M1 MBP 13".

Presumably, you're experiencing the same download issues my work MBP is experiencing. It's been downloading for over an hour and is just barely past 50%. My Internet bandwidth is 10G real-world and un-busy, so presumably Apple's CDN is getting hit good.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by samuelstros »

tinus_hn wrote: post #223
samuelstros wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I concluded that Windows has a better window management too. It is no coincidence that Mac users have hundreds of windows open while Windows users stay relatively organized. I tried out uBar for Mac OS https://ubarapp.com/ . Too buggy though.

Windows has such great window management its users have much less windows open and thus manage much less windows than the MacOS, which has such bad window management its users manage hundreds of windows. It does not make a whole lot of sense.

I see where you are coming from.

Windows has great window management = less chaos, less orphan open windows Mac OS has inferior window management = chaos, hundreds of open windows

The main reasons stems from the fact that Windows open window discoverability is higher. Open windows are always displayed in the menu bar. MacOS only displays the app icon but provides no information about the open windows except for pressing F3.

I hope that answer makes sense.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by rubiquity »

CharlesW wrote: post #200
rubiquity wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple's playbook is to use hardware support as a reason to drop software support to encourage (nudge?) customers to buy more hardware. Recently it has been dropping new macOS versions for non-metal GPUs and now (Monterey) not supporting SSDs without T2/Secure Enclave, and there are other examples before those. You get bit by this and decide if you want to stay on that train or get off. I was one-and-done with that ec…

> Apple's playbook is to use hardware support as a reason to drop software support to encourage (nudge?) customers to buy more hardware. I mean, Apple was making new versions of macOS that supported the 2013 Mac Pro until literally today. If that's their playbook, they're not doing great.

That’s just the 2013 Mac Pro. I cited two other examples that apply to several other models and years.

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Post by lelandfe »

Hamuko wrote: post #209
lelandfe wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should be embarrassing how much faster Alfred's search is. Using Alfred to just search feels like using a Ferrari to pick up groceries, but it really is just better – and has been for as long as I can remember.

Doesn't Alfred just use the Spotlight in the backend for searches?

It keeps your applications in a small (i.e fast) cache, so it's more or less instant when using it as an app finder.

I think it, yes, uses the Spotlight index for finding files, although I wouldn't be surprised if Alfred does some clever stuff on top of it too.

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