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Re: Google has added ads on both its search page and Chrome://newtab

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Post by eigen »

wubbert wrote: post #211
criley2 wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a classic example of how propaganda works. The layman's definition of recession, which has never been used officially or by policy-makers in America, is this bit about "negative GDP growth for two quarters". But despite that not being how we've always determined recessions here, if you read the reply above, the user has literally invented a political conspiracy about their ignorance about economics. The layma…

>the NBER defines a recession as "a significant decline in economic activity spread across the economy, lasting more than a few months, normally visible in real GDP, real income, employment, industrial production, and wholesale-retail sales". Which we have right now. But don't trust objective observations of reality. Just Trust the Experts™ and call anyone who disagrees a conspiracy theorist.

> "a significant decline in economic activity spread across the economy, lasting more than a few months,

> real GDP

> real income

real income is down ~1% since Sept 2020 or Sept 2021 [1]. hardly seems like a "significant decline".

> employment

employment has increased since Sept 2020 or Sept 2021 [2] and infact has been steadily increasing since April 2020.

> industrial production

industrial production has increased since Sept 2020 or Sept 2021 [3] and infact has been steadily increasing since April 2020.

> wholesale-retail sales

retail sales has increased since Sept 2020 or Sept 2021 [4] and infact has been steadily increasing since April 2020.

so 1 of 5 indicators shows significant decline, 1 shows minor decline, 3 show increase.

[1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/RPI

[2] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/PAYEMS

[3] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/INDPRO

[4] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/RSXFS

Re: Google has added ads on both its search page and Chrome://newtab

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Post by matheusmoreira »

marcus0x62 wrote: post #96
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #14

It was inevitable, you gotta get the infite growth from somewhere. Ane the next move will +1 this and so on, until google becomes less attractive than leaner competition. Because of inertia, legacy and people benefitting from the status quo, they won't be able to correct course. This is textbook "how empire falls" and why things that seem indestructible eventually dies like anything else. This will be the mile stone…

How would they +1 this? Require users to watch two ads Youtube-style before rendering a website? Place a persistent banner ad along the bottom of the browser window?

I hope nobody at Google sees your post... The web is obnoxious enough as it is.

Re: Google has added ads on both its search page and Chrome://newtab

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Post by sneak »

qzx_pierri wrote: post #140
exabrial wrote: post #124

Who still using chrome? Use safari, brave, or Firefox.

I'm so tired of seeing people recommend Brave. Firefox is what the web needs. Organizational shenanigans aside, Firefox is the best browser on the market right now.

Firefox embeds spyware and advertising. No thanks.

Re: Google has added ads on both its search page and Chrome://newtab

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Post by tyingq »

huijzer wrote: post #177

> Google has historically been protective of their front page, why now? Probably for the same reason that Google is shutting down Stadia [1] and cutting staff [2], and the same reason that we see roughly one announcement of layoffs here on Hacker News every week: most people expect that we are going into a recession. For example, see the price of major indexes like the S&P 500 or the NASDAQ and plot it on a 10+ year…

> Google has historically been protective of their front page, why now?

Unreasonable shareholder expectations of continued double-digit percentage YoY growth. Growth that exceeds internet usage growth in general.

The only way that happens is more ads displacing content, or appearing in formerly empty spots. I would guess at this point, they've hit the wall on alternatives like better targeting, placement, etc.

Re: Google has added ads on both its search page and Chrome://newtab

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Post by noodles_nomore »

chatterhead wrote: post #117

The internet doesn't work without advertising. Almost as if the money to build all this infrastructure has to come from somewhere. If only we could create a digital token that would be in such demand it would generate its own network and infrastructure effect. Oh wait... they ruined that, too.

> Almost as if the money to build all this infrastructure has to come from somewhere.

Yes, things need funding to survive. That's the core of the problem. I bookmarked an interesting older HN comment to that effect.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20231960

Re: Google has added ads on both its search page and Chrome://newtab

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Post by marcosdumay »

mort96 wrote: post #33

I woke up to ads in my new tab page in Firefox yesterday; sponsored links to Amazon and Nike. Browsers don't seem to serve users anymore. They, like everything else, are mostly ad delivery mechanisms.

I'm on 105.0.1 on Linux, and just checked because of this discussion. Firefox announced ads on the new tab a while ago, and I used about:blank by that time, but I saw the switch to turn them off in the settings. Now there are no ads and the switch is gone.

Firefox seems to be going everywhere at once, so it wouldn't surprise me to discover there is a 105.0.2 with ads, or that ads exist on a few regions only. But at least for me, the trend seems to be on the other way, they are backing down from that decision.

Re: Google has added ads on both its search page and Chrome://newtab

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Post by moffkalast »

lukas099 wrote: post #89
jhoechtl wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These days Bing is increasingly my goto search engine, my switching costs are essentially zero

Why not duckduckgo?

That's just yahoo and bing search merged, with some graphics to tell you how much they love privacy every 2 seconds.

It also has a stupid name.

Re: Google has added ads on both its search page and Chrome://newtab

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Post by matheusmoreira »

MarkPNeyer wrote: post #138
marcus_holmes wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Say you're a decision-maker at Google (or Any Large Corp). You have a KPI to increase revenue by 5% this year. If you hit this KPI, then you get a bonus. If you get the bonus, then you can afford the thing that your partner has been wanting forever (or that will make your neighbours jealous, or whatever), and you get a happy life. You know that doing X will harm the company in the long term (defined as anything past…

Why do you care if you harm the company long term? It’s not like you are tied to it’s performance forever. When equity and labor markets are liquid, why wouldn’t you make decisions that help you now, and cause long term hurt something you have no long term stake in? If you don’t, your peers will.

Corporations are meant to improve our lives sustainably. If all these people can do is extract short term value for themselves instead of providing long term value to the world, then there's no reason to allow this corrupt system to continue. It's pretty screwed up that executives can go around chasing infinite short term growth and awarding themselves golden parachutes so they can jump ship when the problems inevitably start to surface. How much destruction can they cause before society stops them?
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