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We Need New Motherboards Before GPUs Collapse Under Their Own Gravity

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Post by numpad0 »

nextaccountic wrote: post #173
greggsy wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The NUC Extreme line is basically that, which IMO is a really good form factor. Memory and nvme storage are dense enough to make anything larger obsolete for the practical needs of most users. Emphasis on ‘practical’, not strictly ‘affordable’. The only advantages of larger form factors are the ability to add cheaper storage, additional PCI-e cards, and aftermarket cosmetic changes such as lighting. IMO, each of thes…

> The NUC Extreme line is basically that, which IMO is a really good form factor. Is there a case like this, but that is not part of a prebuild computer?

Yes, there is a standard called PICMG used in “portable/luggable computer” industry - oscilloscope-shaped PCs for field uses. Kontron and Advantech seems to be major suppliers there.

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Post by Nevermark »

mtsr wrote: post #227
tpmx wrote: post #196

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Having a ~140 mm tall desktop case under the monitor doesn't work that well with today's pretty large monitors - it would result in uncomfortable viewing angles. Add to that the often very wide monitor stands. And increased cooling noise because the case comes closer to your ears.

Current monitors can be raised on their stand, maybe future monitors could be lowered in front of whatever they’re on top of?

My 98 inch “monitor” is mounted on the wall

Great for demoing things, or looking at while I walk in think circles. Keeps my desk clear, and I don’t need reading glasses to see it

And yes, the bottom is mounted well below my desk’s surface height

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Post by NavinF »

cyanydeez wrote: post #96
dragontamer wrote: post #7

1. While I agree we're beginning to reach absurd proportions, lets really analyze the situation and think about it. 2. Are there any GPUs that actually have performed physical damage on a motherboard slot? 3. GPUs are already 2-wide by default, and some are 3-wide. 4-wide GPUs will have more support from the chassis. This seems like the simpler solution, especially since most people rarely have a 2nd add in card at a…

In reality, there is no reason GPUs should be add-ons. Just star designing motherboards with integrated GPUs of sufficient size. Case closed.

Note this whole discussion is in the context of the 4090. If you're an enthusiast, soldering the GPU to the mobo forces you to spend $200-$700 more every time you upgrade your GPU because you also have to buy a new mobo and possibly a new CPU if the socket changed.

The GPU is also one of the easiest components to swap today. That's not something I want to give up unless I see performance improvements. Cooling doesn't count because I already have an external radiator attached to my open-frame "case".

I went through 3 GPUs before changing motherboards and I'm still bottlenecked on my 3090, not my 5800X3D. After I get a 4090, I expect to upgrade it at least once before getting a new mobo.

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Post by RL_Quine »

15155 wrote: post #228
RL_Quine wrote: post #30

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The water cooling on my 3090 is heavier than the air cooling for the same card, as you need a coldplate on both sides of the thing to get rid of the heat.

If you give me a lever long enough and a place to stand, I will move the world. The length of the 3090 with air cooling is what makes it so heavy on the PCIE connector - localized coldplate weight is not an issue.

The water block is full coverage, the length of the card on both sides, and is a gigantic block of copper. With the water inside it’s even heavier.

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Post by Hamuko »

tcmb wrote: post #232
Hamuko wrote: post #198

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I like my mini-ITX case (Phanteks Shift Air 2) because it hangs the GPU from the top and it's sitting behind a mesh so it still has ample access to fresh air. https://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/2-Still-8...

I'm getting a Cloudflare error page on that link: 'The owner of this website does not allow hotlinking to that resource'

Huh, didn't realise it spits out that kind of an error. I guess Cloudflare whitelists your IP address if you visit it once since that links still works for me without visiting the original URL?

Anyways, you can see the photo here: https://www.kitguru.net/components/leo-waldock/phanteks-evol...

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Post by patates »

tcmb wrote: post #232
Hamuko wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like my mini-ITX case (Phanteks Shift Air 2) because it hangs the GPU from the top and it's sitting behind a mesh so it still has ample access to fresh air. https://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/2-Still-8...

I'm getting a Cloudflare error page on that link: 'The owner of this website does not allow hotlinking to that resource'

I could open the link in a private/incognito window.

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Post by patates »

userbinator wrote: post #134

Every time I see the sizes of GPUs increase, I'm reminded of this from over 2 decades ago: https://vgamuseum.ru/wp-content/gallery/bitching-fast/bitchi...

Looks like not only won't it fit to any case, it may even have some problems fitting in some smaller home offices as well. But hey, it doesn't need a support bracket!

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Post by bmitc »

What is the end game of consumer GPUs, primarily for gaming? It seems wasteful (?), not sure of the right word here at the moment, to put all this effort into GPUs for general purpose computers and the downstream problems (cooling, space, mounting, etc.) to get arguable improvements in gaming experiences. There seems to be an outright arms race amongst consumers and manufacturers alike for all this, and I personally am not sure why this stuff is so in demand. Are there other consumer markets where high-performance is so accepted and common place?

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Post by matja »

cyanydeez wrote: post #96
dragontamer wrote: post #7

1. While I agree we're beginning to reach absurd proportions, lets really analyze the situation and think about it. 2. Are there any GPUs that actually have performed physical damage on a motherboard slot? 3. GPUs are already 2-wide by default, and some are 3-wide. 4-wide GPUs will have more support from the chassis. This seems like the simpler solution, especially since most people rarely have a 2nd add in card at a…

In reality, there is no reason GPUs should be add-ons. Just star designing motherboards with integrated GPUs of sufficient size. Case closed.

Wouldn't that be a cause of even more e-waste?
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