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Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by yunwal »

jliptzin wrote: post #142
shapefrog wrote: post #81

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So no itunes, no ipod, no iphones, no apps, no watch, no airpods, no M1 chips, nada...

Those are all improvements to their main product lines. I’m talking about apple car or credit cards or whatever else they’re going to do. If people at apple want to build a car they should form a new company to do it. I don’t want my phone, computer, car, and credit card all issued by the same company.

The iPod wasn't a main product when it was introduced.

Honestly, if Apple wants to make a car, I'm all for it. What I don't like is that they seem to be ditching their hardware innovation in favor of SAAS like all the other tech companies. It's lazy and all with the hopes of surrounding you with marketing.

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by yunwal »

strikelaserclaw wrote: post #206
jliptzin wrote: post #77

I wish huge companies like Apple would just be happy with being #1 in their category, collecting their enormous profits and paying out dividends to shareholders, instead of feeling the need to take over the world.

unfortunately the ceo's only job is to increase share price and they can only do that with unlimited growth.

What I don't understand is, Apple is the most valuable company in the world for a reason. And the reason is that they've developed insanely good and immersive user experiences. And now it seems like they're ready to just throw that out the window in order to compete with Google and Facebook on showing you more marketing content? Makes no sense imo, there's plenty of room for growth in the hardware space

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by oezi »

AnonHP wrote: post #198
oezi wrote: post #126

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As a Android user who is lured by the appeal of the Apple Watch and the long update availability, I have recently found that the wall of the garden has gotten so high that it is harder to get in than thought: - there is no way to migrate messages from Signal messenger from Android to iOS - there is no way to synchronize Opera bookmarks from Android to iOS - SwiftKey keyboard can't sync my Android settings to iOS I mi…

> there is no way to migrate messages from Signal messenger from Android to iOS Talking only about iOS and Signal here. What you describe is entirely Signal’s decision not to allow backups and restores (on iOS Signal made an explicit decision not to allow any sort of backup and restore). Signal only allows transfer of chats from one iOS device to another when both devices are in close proximity. If Signal wanted to,…

Agreed. It is a stupid decision by Signal/WhisperSystems. They could easily offer backup for instance via a trusted PC or offer a paid service or just encrypt as you said.

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by theplumber »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #231
stale2002 wrote: post #182

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Through the process of using dominant market power, to anti-competitively harm competitors in various industries. The most common one, that is in the news, is the App Store situation, where literal laws are being passed to ban Apple's behavior. But it also applies to other parts of their business, such as ads. There could be a push to pass laws to make Apple's behavior illegal in those spaces as well.

This comment thread- and in fact this entire post- is about services, and milking users via services. While certainly true, I don't see how any of that is relevant in the context of this thread.

Are you aware of the vendor lock-in concept? Combine that with a duopoly and you get your answer about milking and Apple holding a gun to consumers heads. It's almost a "natural" path for monopolistic companies. Once it got enough market share it starts milking it. Android(google play services) and IOS lock-in is the gun you keep asking for. The whole article is about Apple switching from major hardware upgrades/innovation to charging existing customers more for services.

One simple case is storage. Would would Apple provide you greater storage capacity when they can milk you more using a "cloud" subscription.

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by thefz »

superdug wrote: post #91

Am I a realist on Apple Apologist? My primary credit card is an apple card, primary dev machine is a mbp, primary work machine iPad, phone iPhone, watch Apple, and I have air tags attached to my dogs and wallet. In this ecosystem, I can reference _ANY_ of my screens for necessary and current relevant information whether it be curated or automated without breaking a glance to whatever primary device the content came f…

Yeah, if all you have in your home are Apple devices, sure. You can have a nice experience.

I dropped all my sympathy towards Apple and gave my MBP13 to my girlfriend the day they willingly implemented an outdated version of SMB in OSX that broke compatibility with almost all of my other machines.

I had a leftover Cinema 24inch display too. I sold it because to regulate its brightness I had to install a custom driver under Windows, and to tinker a lot under Linux, because the damn thing had no physical buttons. It is a primary function of a display device.

No more Apple devices for me, thanks. These are just overpriced toys.

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by thefz »

traceroute66 wrote: post #38
alexb_ wrote: post #15

The moment that apple announced "privacy" as their focus I knew this was going to happen. They don't actually care about user privacy, but rather want exclusive rights to all of your data so that they can sell it for a markup. If you want to sell targeted ads to anyone using an Apple device, you'll have to let Apple do the targeting (and take their cut). Get customers locked into the apple ecosystem, "protect" them f…

> They don't actually care about user privacy, but rather want exclusive rights to all of your data so that they can sell it for a markup. Anyone who seriously thinks Apple are going to turn into another Google or Facebook needs to give their head a wobble. Look at, for example, their recent pro-privacy improvements to the App Store where developers are now forced to state in black and white what data their Apps coll…

> Anyone who seriously thinks Apple are going to turn into another Google or Facebook needs to give their head a wobble.

To me, anyone stretching over to apologize for Apple needs to give their head a wobble. They are just going for the profit, selling you the lie of privacy. They want to scan your photos, remember. They already gave the FBI the tools they need to unlock phones, and they are of course part of PRISM.

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by thefz »

traceroute66 wrote: post #75
Cipater wrote: post #70

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I would never have this kind of confidence in a corporation.

> I would never have this kind of confidence in a corporation. Meanwhile back on Planet Earth ..... Going by your argument you should not own any electronic device. Because you should not be trusting Intel/AMD to make your CPU because they might have put spyware in it .... Because you should not trust your keyboard manufacturer because they might have embedded a keylogger in it.... Because you should not trust your c…

The fact that others might misbehave too does not invalidate OP's claim, in that no one should blindly trust a corporation. And let me add, an US corporation even more.

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by thefz »

joshmanders wrote: post #123
stinkytaco wrote: post #118

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Because everyone knows this about Google already. With Apple there seems to be some associated belief that it's better, when there's nothing really special about Apple. It's a publicly traded company and just because no one let the cow out of the barn yet, doesn't mean it couldn't in the future. Props to Apple for not doing a Google yet, but like someone said, I would never trust a corporation to put me above shareho…

> I would never trust a corporation to put me above shareholder value. Normally I'd agree with you, but I think Steve Jobs has a long history of not giving a shit about what shareholders say because he was more concerned with delivering the perfect product to customers, so I'd like to think that Tim Cook has also carried this torch too. Yes they are a for-profit company, I still get that... But everyone has been shou…

Jobs went over and beyond to dictate to customers what HE thought they needed, not what they truly needed.

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by jhoelzel »

gnicholas wrote: post #31
traceroute66 wrote: post #5

Honestly, for anyone who watches Apple close enough, this isn't news. Its clear Apple are heading down the disruptive disintermediation route. Look at the Air Tag. Effectively killing off competitors by making use of the global network of Apple devices. Look at their recent BNPL (buy now, pay later) announcement for example. Managing the whole caboodle, including the finance itself, entirely internally. Or look at th…

Their new weather forecasting service is also intriguing. They will soon have millions of thermometer-equipped Apple Watches in the world (IIRC the Series 8 and AWU will have these), allowing them to create an incredibly detailed mapping of temperatures around the world (or at least places where people can afford expensive watches...).

thats not forecasting though is it? its measuring. and only with total coverage its predicting too?

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by nottorp »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #188
nottorp wrote: post #83

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I was hoping that will happen with the apple watch, but so far it just brings the notification spam to your wrist and does fitness/health monitoring if you care about that. What will the AR glasses do, bring the notifications that I have turned off anyway in my face?

The notification thing really made my despise the Apple Watch, caused me way too much anxiety had to turn all those features off. I'd wear a screenless Apple band with just the health sensors but I wont wear a notification distraction on my wrist again.

> caused me way too much anxiety had to turn all those features off

Good. You have seen the light. Now turn off those notifications on your phone too. Much improved quality of life.

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