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Plastic might be making us obese

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Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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I've recently started taking 'liraglutide', which is an appetite suppressant. I haven't been taking it that long, but so far it's amazing -- I eat a balanced meal with an approriate amount of calories in it, and then I am full, and don't want to eat any more. Sometimes I snack and eat a biscuit, but then I don't feel any need to eat a second biscuit. I'm not saying this is a long-term solution for me, or people in ge…

Was it hard to get it? Is it expensive?

Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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We eat unnatural amounts of polyunsaturated oils today. You have it completely backward. The amount of vegetable based fats consumed 100 years ago was significantly less. It wasn't until chemical extraction was introduced that we could consume as much vegetable based fat as we do today. Saturated fat is actually more stable and by far healthier.

I'm afraid you are the one who has it completely backwards: https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/food-types/different-f...

Checkout this book:

https://thebigfatsurprise.com/

Looks like the NHS is behind the times.

In the US they've removed statements like the one you linked to. It's becoming scientific consensus that saturated fat doesn't cause heart disease.

Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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If a factor can't explain why non-Hispanic Asians have much lower prevalence of obesity than any other race, I tend not to trust it. Are Asians simply using less plastic than other races? Look at the chart: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db288.pdf The chart is simply striking. We should all be investigating what are the Asians doing right that all of us should learn from.

Then why are lab rats also overweight?[1] What are they doing that asians aren't? Really I think you can't look at one single factor no matter how convincing you think it is

1- https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-lab-rats-are-...

Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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I have no doubt that many of these plethora of chemicals that are in our every day environment are endocrine disruptors or worse, most of us would be surprised just how significantly we have changed the chemistry of our environments over the last century. But I'm not convinced that they're the cause for obesity. Contributors, sure. The cause? Your body has to make fat out of something, with or without an endocrine disruptor. I've never met a fat person that doesn't drink soda every day.

It's sugar and seed oil. That's what it comes down to. Most of what we eat is not food really, but the last mile in a marketing campaign, it barely even qualifies as a product. That combined with the rise in sedentary work and recreation is all you need to explain it.

Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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If a factor can't explain why non-Hispanic Asians have much lower prevalence of obesity than any other race, I tend not to trust it. Are Asians simply using less plastic than other races? Look at the chart: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db288.pdf The chart is simply striking. We should all be investigating what are the Asians doing right that all of us should learn from.

diet (not dieting, but their diet)

Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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I mean, yes. We have to do the redesign for a multitude of reasons. Including the impacts our current cities have for scalability of various services and growth. Also how it’s fucking our response to climate change.

Oh knock it off

Knock what off?

American cities are designed horribly. We are a nation of car dependency.

Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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A very long series of essays about this: https://slimemoldtimemold.com/2021/07/07/a-chemical-hunger-p... The authors take the view that obesogens account for 100% or nearly 100% of the rise in obesity, which is definitely a controversial view. However, they do an awesome job giving an overview of the arguments for obesogens.

I find this to be a pretty lame analysis. > People in the 1800s did have diets that were very different from ours. But by conventional wisdom, their diets were worse, not better. They ate more bread and almost four times more butter than we do today. They also consumed more cream, milk, and lard. This seems closely related to observations like the French Paradox — the French eat a lot of fatty cheese and butter, so w…

> They ate more bread and almost four times more butter than we do today. They also consumed more cream, milk, and lard. This seems closely related to observations like the French Paradox — the French eat a lot of fatty cheese and butter, so why aren’t they fatter and sicker?

Because the issue is - in fact - the sugar, not the fat (https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/theres-no-sugar-coating-...).

Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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My pet theory on obesity is how varied and delicious food is these days. Literally my grandparents ate homemade porridge, cheese sandwiches, Potatoes/Carrots/Cabbage/BeefOrPork nearly every day of their lives. No wonder they didn't over eat. New generation has a huge number of yummy dishes to choose from.

Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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If a factor can't explain why non-Hispanic Asians have much lower prevalence of obesity than any other race, I tend not to trust it. Are Asians simply using less plastic than other races? Look at the chart: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db288.pdf The chart is simply striking. We should all be investigating what are the Asians doing right that all of us should learn from.

diet (not dieting, but their diet)

Dieting too, esp the women seem to have a huge amount of pressure to be skinny.
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