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Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by entropicdrifter » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 5:54 PM UTC

johndevor wrote: post #216

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #125

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> we are inarguably better off for Jobs--and countless others--having prioritised their professions over conventional needs You don’t know the alternate reality where jobs did not do that. Perhaps another company would have done similar things or even something completely different than also improved our lives.

It also ignores the Hitler-types and their negative influence on the world (Hitler was beaten brutally by his father IIRC).

Likewise Stalin was beaten by both of his parents and even threw a knife at his father at the age of 6 to keep him from killing his mother.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by samstave » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 5:55 PM UTC

fuckHNtho wrote: post #109

samstave wrote: post #103

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NO It was not. --- EDIT, It as typed on an HP OMEN -- and through my 30+ years in tech I have had a lot of bad things to say about HP in the middlings -- (HP/COMPAQ had the best support mid '90s to very early 2000's (then the Carlie debacle bullshit happened) -- but the HP support right now... is stellar (at least in my experience currently). No tech company is beyond reproach.

Sure that's your hardware. What's your browser?

FF on desktop, brave on mobile.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by dlivingston » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 5:57 PM UTC

scarface74 wrote: post #217

fennecfoxy wrote: post #156

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Afaik he did know programming at a basic level, which back in those days meant that he knew enough to get something working without all of the tools, etc that we have today. But it was Woz who was the true hardware/software talent; he spent his childhood designing processors that he didn't have the money to build. He was fascinated with circuits & electronics & processors. Steve worked at Atari but got Woz in to do t…

This is a myth that Microsoft “bailed Apple out”. At the time of the MS deal, Apple had 4 Billion in the bank because of a loan that Amelia had already secured. Microsoft invested $250 Million in Apple and a month later, Apple spent $100 million to buy out PowerComputing’s Mac license. It also took 4 years before Apple was profitable after the deal The other myth is that Microsoft “agreed to port Office to the Mac” i…

It’s also rips the context out of the deal: Microsoft “bailed Apple out” because MS was deep in an antitrust lawsuit, and giving a cash infusion to your main competitor was a way to signal to legislators - “we’re not trying to be a monopoly!”

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by samstave » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 6:07 PM UTC

AnonCoward42 wrote: post #107

samstave wrote: post #95

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Yeah, but you still made the trillion pounds of e-waste from everything you did do, and profitted off of jony's shitty fucking life-cycle understanding of anything plastic... Fuck Jobs worship. He DID CREATE a ton of shit that the world doesnt need in the environment and by claiming that appl is some beacon of the most amazing design - nope. If appl was the bastion for thought on product design, I wouldnt have ~20 br…

Everything you list are also done by any other big corp. I avoid Apple because of their walled garden at all costs, however I don't feel Apple is much worse than any other corp of similar size for the things you list. And for Steve Jobs I always thought he is a selfish and arrogant asshole, however this might be true or not, by now I am more worried by the rich supposed philanthropists. We are maybe better off with s…

Philanthropy these days is about tax haven "foundations" where you and your billionaire friends trade tax laundering "as charity" back and forth, and then appoint nepotistic kids to director roles at your foundation and pay them huge salaries.

One of the best examples of this was when Sarah Palin's teen daughter got pregnant, then got flack, so they created a "foundation" to fight teen pregnancy, and it was revealed that the Palin Daughter was being paid some ridiculous amount to be the head of the "foundation"

Anytime you hear about a billionaire's "foundation" -- think "money laundering"

The clinton Foundation (probably the most corrupt foundation known)? The Gates Foundation? The zuckerberg foundation... all of them are money laundering tax avoidance schemes. Irrespective of the small amount of "charity" they do - they money "stays in the family" as it were...

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by nurettin » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 6:08 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #206

nurettin wrote: post #11

It sounds like a valid atheist manifesto.

Please don't take HN threads on generic ideological tangents. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html (and definitely not religious flamewar tangents, which this already crosses into)

ok can you please stop with the weird ass accusations?

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by RajT88 » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 6:25 PM UTC

scarface74 wrote: post #219

RajT88 wrote: post #23

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If you ask me, Woz and Jobs -- together -- both sensibilities, are the heart and soul of what makes Apple Apple. The dueling ethos live on, hopefully keeping each other in check. If we're talking about the technical and design merits of Apple devices anyways. Not the status symbol aspects.

Woz left Apple in the mid 80s. Woz’s influence on current day Apple is nil.

And Jobs is dead.

What I am suggesting is the personality types live on and continue to work together at Apple.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by TrevorJ » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 6:32 PM UTC

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #207

It has the style/tone of a snippet from Herbert's "God Emperor Of Dune." Our industry -- probably more than any other -- attracted more than its fair share of pontification, over-intellectualization and frankly, narcissism. A sense of the over-importance of everything we're doing, which is really just about using ever more complicated computing tools to make money faster and faster and faster.

On the other hand, if we take the last, say, 5,000 years of history, digital technology must be in the top 3 inventions that have most effected humanity.

By way of cost-benefit analysis, I'd say that erring on the side of pontification, over-intellectualization and navel gazing, while pretty crass, is far preferable to the alternative. The sheer power of what has been invented, for good or ill means that we can really never be too careful or introspective about it.

To be even more specific: given the fact that energy prices rising 10x in a matter of months is now a reality, isn't the kind of introspection in Steve's email precisely the kind of thing we'd hope more of our CEO's were concerned about? Seems to me that our reliance on outside systems for our survival is a super relevant concern to anyone who's paying attention.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by scarface74 » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 6:48 PM UTC

RajT88 wrote: post #246

scarface74 wrote: post #219

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Woz left Apple in the mid 80s. Woz’s influence on current day Apple is nil.

And Jobs is dead. What I am suggesting is the personality types live on and continue to work together at Apple.

So how many of the current products were influenced by Woz in 2022?

How many are influenced by Jobs - the Mac, the iPad, the iPhone, the App Store?

When Woz left, Apple wasn’t a major player in the tech space in the grand scheme of things. Apple became the most valuable company in the US right before Jobs passed.

My first computer was an Woz inspired Apple //e. My current computer is a Jobs inspired Mac that Woz had nothing to do with.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by scarface74 » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 6:52 PM UTC

dlivingston wrote: post #243

scarface74 wrote: post #217

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This is a myth that Microsoft “bailed Apple out”. At the time of the MS deal, Apple had 4 Billion in the bank because of a loan that Amelia had already secured. Microsoft invested $250 Million in Apple and a month later, Apple spent $100 million to buy out PowerComputing’s Mac license. It also took 4 years before Apple was profitable after the deal The other myth is that Microsoft “agreed to port Office to the Mac” i…

It’s also rips the context out of the deal: Microsoft “bailed Apple out” because MS was deep in an antitrust lawsuit, and giving a cash infusion to your main competitor was a way to signal to legislators - “we’re not trying to be a monopoly!”

And while the look and feel lawsuit wasn’t going Apple’s way, indications are that the QuickTime lawsuit where it was clear that MS was using Apple’s Quicktime code that was licensed to a third party had legs.

Also MS was much more concerned about snuffing out Netscape than Apple. Apple agreed to make IE the default browser on Macs.

Besides, at the time, MS made more on each Mac sold than Apple because of Office.

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Post by markdown » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 7:36 PM UTC

rowanG077 wrote: post #165

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #149

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It's one of the positives of being rich in a plutocracy. Whether plutocracy is a good, never mind ideal, way to organise a planetary culture is very much up for debate.

Definitely! My point was more that I find it odd to see the exact same mechanism all around you every day and then throw your hands up in disgust on this specific instance.

This is disgusting because someone more deserving died when he took the liver that was going to them.

Which other every-day mechanisms results in the death of one of two parties?