EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted • Hacker News Board

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by Panzer04 » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 5:31 AM UTC

epistasis wrote: post #155

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are better optimisations for emissions than chasing farmers and miners.

Such as? I'm generally anti-carbon tax because it's the solution to the problem that is obvious, simple, and wrong. But when there are no other solutions, charging for cleanup is the way to go. Farmers and miners pay for their costs. They can continue to do so and pass their costs on. Some farmers, at least in the US, we massively subsidize to a ridiculous extent in a make-work program for massive amounts of soy and…

Why is a carbon tax wrong? It seems very similar in principle to your proposal?

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by anon291 » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 5:34 AM UTC

endisneigh wrote: post #74

I love EVs. That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together. I'm cobbling something similar now with a Class 3 cargo ebike, but rain sucks =/ The idealist in me says that electric ebikes could eliminate most of Americas problems in on…

> EVs are much heavier than their equivalent ICE vehicles. Hopefully this doesn't result in EV accidents being more likely to have a fatality

This isn't a matter of hope.

Heavier things traveling the same speed have more momentum..

Momentum kills

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by caycep » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 5:34 AM UTC

endisneigh wrote: post #74

I love EVs. That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together. I'm cobbling something similar now with a Class 3 cargo ebike, but rain sucks =/ The idealist in me says that electric ebikes could eliminate most of Americas problems in on…

that being said, I'm wondering why companies don't double down on the BMW i3 model vs. the tesla X/Y/big SUV model? The i3 is 3000 lbs or less, and when it was discontinued, it had a bigger battery pack, and plenty of range and room for a family. In my mind, it's ideal...and it wasn't like there wasn't a market for it, as demand apparently was growing right up until end of production

I otherwise agree that American cities and suburbs need a healthy injection of bicycling adoption, infrastructure and design.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by aetherspawn » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 5:34 AM UTC

NegativeLatency wrote: post #209

ericmay wrote: post #71

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EVs may currently be unfriendly toward self-repair but that doesn’t always have to be the case. I’d also suggest that you are operating under the illusion of self-repair. Is replacing a transmission something you can do? An engine? Sure let’s say you can. Personally I can’t replace an engine any more than I can replace a motor on an EV. I don’t have the tools, I still have to rely on society to procure the engine and…

Replacing an ev motor sounds easier to me than an engine. Assuming you can get parts

But do you have the equipment to calibrate the resolver of this new motor by connecting to the inverter and writing the new resolver offset into its EEPROM? I thought not.

If you swapped out the motor on your EV like you suggested, it would start spewing out illegal levels of EM interference, screaming like a pig and randomly chopping out at high speed.

This is why self right to repair is a complex issue. Even for EVs which seem simple but are not. Every single component is so tightly coupled.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by s5300 » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 5:42 AM UTC

reaperducer wrote: post #197

epistasis wrote: post #86

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It seems like cars are the problem here though? If people want to live in remote areas and pollute a ton, that's just fine as long as they pay to clean up the mess they make for everyone else. Direct carbon capture from the air is about $500/ton right now, which is only about $5/gallon of gas.

If people want to live in remote areas This is an easily solved problem. Just stop eating. Once you stop eating, then we don't have to have farmers and their remotely-located support communities growing food for you. For bonus points, stop using computers. Electronics are made up of all kinds of metals that are mined in remote locations. So, stop using electricity at all, if you're really concerned about this. And wh…

Lot of strawmans here.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by bosswipe » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 5:43 AM UTC

endisneigh wrote: post #74

I love EVs. That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together. I'm cobbling something similar now with a Class 3 cargo ebike, but rain sucks =/ The idealist in me says that electric ebikes could eliminate most of Americas problems in on…

As a long time daily biker I don't understand the trend of heftier more powerful ebikes. Instead of bulking a bike up to me it makes more sense to slim cars down.

I've been trying to find tiny electric two seater cars, but I've been disappointed in the lack of anything in the US, they're more available in europe and Japan.

Actually now that I typed this comment out I think I understand the trend of heftier ebikes, it's a way to skirt the regulations around making a "street legal" vehicle, which is what prevents any innovation in the <$10k tiny car segment.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by gravelc » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 5:44 AM UTC

I currently have a Toyota hybrid that is slowly reverting to an ICE-only after 8 years of ownership. Unless there's some mechanism in place to prolong the life of electric cars beyond the limits of their battery, I can see there'll be a lot of holdouts (young people, less well off etc.).

Regulation in the big markets such as the US and Europe to enforce a cost-effective approach to battery replacement seems essential to me. Otherwise, design will go the way of ever slimmer phones.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by sz4kerto » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 5:47 AM UTC

endisneigh wrote: post #74

I love EVs. That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together. I'm cobbling something similar now with a Class 3 cargo ebike, but rain sucks =/ The idealist in me says that electric ebikes could eliminate most of Americas problems in on…

Renault Twizy was quite popular for short distances here in Europe.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by Arainach » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 5:47 AM UTC

endisneigh wrote: post #74

I love EVs. That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together. I'm cobbling something similar now with a Class 3 cargo ebike, but rain sucks =/ The idealist in me says that electric ebikes could eliminate most of Americas problems in on…

Nothing should be going 30mph on pedestrian infrastructure. If you want to go 30mph, you're going on real roads with real cars. I own an eBike, love it, and use it to commute, but 20mph is already too much around pedestrians.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by marssaxman » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 5:48 AM UTC

endisneigh wrote: post #150

hattmall wrote: post #146

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What is an enclosed bicycle?? Maybe you could use a golf cart. You could get pretty close to 30 MPH and 60 Miles travel time for under $2k.

A golf cart has to travel on the same roads as a car, except it's slower and less safe. No advantage really.

I am currently living in a seaside town where golf carts are a normal means of transportation. You see them out and about every day. On the main highway through town, they drive on the shoulder; everywhere else, they take a lane just like cars do. The people here clearly believe they have some advantage.