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I ran the worlds largest DDoS-for-Hire empire and Cloudflare helped

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Post by ryan_lane »

teddyh wrote: post #238
ryan_lane wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you were getting that loan to buy a house to use as a base of operations for harassing people in the neighborhood, the bank would rightfully deny your application. You're strangely trying to tie this to someone simply living in a high-crime neighborhood. It's racist to deny a qualified person because the neighborhood is "high-crime" because often neighborhoods are high-crime because they're also over policed (whic…

I’m using banks denying a loan to a high-crime neighborhood address as an analogy to explain why it’s also bad to deny hosting or service based on the domain name alone. It’s basically the Scunthorpe problem.

It's not being based on the domain name. KF was created with the intent of harassing someone, and has continued that to harass people both online and offline. The content on the site is hate, and the content occasionally includes illegal activities.

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Post by zimpenfish »

Yver wrote: post #181
zimpenfish wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And why isn't law enforcement stepping in? Because 1) they have limited resources and must prioritise and 2) America law enforcement seems to have a distinct lean towards the transphobic / homophobic / white supremacist / right-wing, etc. Just because something is not being actively policed does not mean it's not an actual crime (cf motorists running red lights for an easy example.)

How does one reconcile the idea that KiwiFarms is guilty of unspecified crimes that threaten lives and require emergency intervention, but also those alleged crimes aren't urgent enough that authorities would prosecute them? Is that entirely handwaved by calling the whole of U.S. law enforcement "transphobic / homophobic / white supremacist / right-wing"? As this submission shows, cybercrime is prosecuted in the U.S.

> As this submission shows, cybercrime is prosecuted in the U.S.

You're missing the qualifier "some" before "cybercrime".

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Post by As_You_Wish »

cedilla wrote: post #112
zaptheimpaler wrote: post #77

The deplatforming logic is practical but pretty shaky as a long term strategy. Kiwifarms absolutely may have been a despicable place causing real harm to people. In that case, the police should initiate a request to take them down that Cloudflare or ISPs etc. are obligated to follow. The problem is the government is completely ineffective and regularly offloads their responsibility to platforms like Facebook, Cloudfl…

You're focusing so hard on the rights of kiwifarms that you completely forget that cloudflare also has rights. Cloudflare has the liberty of association, and that includes the right to terminate contracts with others who actively harm Cloudflare and its costumers. And if Kiwifarms sending out bytes to the internet is free speech, then compelling cloudflare to send those same bytes is impernissible forced speech.

If it is indeed a quasi-utility, then a utility cannot just shut off someone's water or electricity, just because they don't agree with a person's politics or anything else. A utility has to keep serving, unless the person doesn't pay.

I'm personally more on the side that these are utilities, because really, one cannot get by without an internet connection. I mean, why don't we get the electricity company to turn off electricity if a customer is a pornographer or something that they don't like.

As long as a person is paying their bills, a utility has to serve them.

That's how I see it.

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Post by stsffap »

GeneralMayhem wrote: post #29
politician wrote: post #11

Cloudflare is oddly political for an infrastructure provider. Every few months or so they seem to be forced to explain why they have decided to deplatform this or that website contrary to their no interference policy. You don’t see AWS or Microsoft having the same frequency of these sorts of reports. What am I missing?

You're missing that nobody makes a fuss about AWS removing things. Unsavory and/or illegal sites are removed from AWS every day for TOS violations - a somewhat recent and notable example was Parler, the extreme-right-wing Twitter clone that was used to plan the January 6th insurrection.

Sorry to hijack this discussion thread. I've come across your comments on https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28425379 and I think you have brought up some really good points what modern DBs should support. Especially, the queue support for atomic state changes and message sending can be a powerful primitive. I am currently looking into this area and would love to have a chat with you if you like. You can reach me via my twitter @stsffap.
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