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I regret my website redesign

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Re: I regret my website redesign

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

raunak wrote: post #188
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #93

Good God, that logo would be $50 on Fiverr, those illustrations would be $10 each, and that landing page would be 2 hours with bootstrap. This is how you turn $500 worth of work into $45,000 worth of billing.

I doubt you could get that level of quality illustrations/logo from Fiverr, but I could be wrong. The actual page redesign, I agree - where would you recommend hiring a designer from if you don't actually know design, then?

I’ve gotten some very good work from Fiverr lately. You have to go beyond the lowest end and find someone in the $50-100 range.

Re: I regret my website redesign

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Post by etempleton »

Agencies as a rule, and I cannot understate this, are always trying to find a way to extract more money from you. It is the core of an agencies work. Most of their thinking and brain power go to extracting money from their clients. They achieved their goal spectacularly.

Realistically, they never would have taken you on as a client for 15k. It would be barely worth their time. Their goal was always to extract about 40-50k from you. And at the end of the day it looks like they did some pretty good work, so hey, you achieved your goal too, just at a much higher than desired price.

Re: I regret my website redesign

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Post by raunak »

donatj wrote: post #223
raunak wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt you could get that level of quality illustrations/logo from Fiverr, but I could be wrong. The actual page redesign, I agree - where would you recommend hiring a designer from if you don't actually know design, then?

I got both of these on Fiverr for about $25 each - I'm very happy with both. - https://raw.githubusercontent.com/donatj/StandardOtter/dd3f2... - https://noteof.app/logo.svg

Wow, those are actually great! Would you mind sending me a link to those/that designer? email in bio

Re: I regret my website redesign

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Post by raunak »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #241
raunak wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt you could get that level of quality illustrations/logo from Fiverr, but I could be wrong. The actual page redesign, I agree - where would you recommend hiring a designer from if you don't actually know design, then?

I’ve gotten some very good work from Fiverr lately. You have to go beyond the lowest end and find someone in the $50-100 range.

Have any recommendations on designers?

Re: I regret my website redesign

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Post by mtlynch »

dangus wrote: post #171
testplzignore wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some feedback from a person who is the target audience of your product: https://tinypilotkvm.com/illustrations/tinypilot-overview-il... is the most prominent image on your site and of little value in my opinion. Rather than have a sketch that looks like it very well could just be a stock image (and my brain is trained to ignore this type of image), I recommend having actual photos that show the same scene. A photo of…

Yeah, I wanted to give this feedback about this image, too. Try reading that image from the website on your smartphone. It's very hard to see what's going on.

I'm not crazy about the image, either. I think it's okay not great.

I was hoping the design agency would take more of a lead in creating a concept that conveyed what the product does, but it mostly fell to me.

"KVM over IP" is a hard concept to represent visually. If you already know what a KVM over IP is, then we can just show you a photo of ours, but if you've never heard of one before, the illustration has to do a lot of work.

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Post by belter »

mtlynch wrote: post #44
KingOfCoders wrote: post #29

I have seen many outsourcing projects with my coachees and with founders, I've managed my own and cancelled several when I was called in to fix them. The key to this kind of work is to understand: The agency is not your buddy, they have very different goals than you have. Too often do I seen people who have nice chats with the agency over a coffee. They are not your friends. You need to write the contract to align th…

Thanks for reading! I have a different philosophy when it comes to hiring in that I assume the people working with me are honest and they're motivated to do their jobs well. I'm paying for their time, and I assume they'll use their time effectively. If they can't use their time effectively, I terminate the hire, but I don't try to fix it with different policies. I agree that there are payment schemes that will cause…

Have two TinyPilot's...Great product, well supported :-)

Sorry to hear about the Website redesign issues. Taking into account the initial budget you were targeting for, it looks like a scenario that required Gerry Weinberg, "Orange Juice Test" before anything else.

https://www.intercom.com/blog/the-orange-juice-test/

Re: I regret my website redesign

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Post by OJFord »

tmp_anon_22 wrote: post #195
dieselgate wrote: post #153

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Yeah I sort of rolled my eyes at all the logo redesigns (especially as these seem to have come first in the process) but it seems Author was fine with it. It’s an impressive read because Author (and Isaac to some degree) seem quite even keeled in dealing with everything.

> seem quite even keeled in dealing with everything I'm guessing the money they lost in this endeavor didn't materially impact them.

I know we don't know costs, but per the article it's about a month's revenue, and I assume it's pretty profitable. Not the first hire either, so the difference between 7k and 46k total over several months is not a lot in a way.
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