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Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades

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Re: Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades

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Post by ChrisRR »

I worked on Bluetooth at the stack level, and from my experience of the specification, there's not any single thing that causes it to be flaky. Every level that I have experience with seems to be well defined.

So why the hell is it so difficult to pair and connect? I have no idea. I can only assume that each level of the stack has a number of corner cases that all together create a perfect storm, because otherwise the specification seems to be robust enough that it shouldn't have such an issue with connecting.

Re: Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades

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Post by seszett »

grnmamba wrote: post #83
bigbillheck wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They most certainly were not: https://www.engadget.com/2009-06-29-nokia-apple-rim-and-othe...

Ok, so since 2009 everyone except Apple was on USB.

2009 is when the EU stepped in. They didn't have to set it into law because the industry agreed to it voluntarily except for Apple.

Re: Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades

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Post by marbu »

jtbayly wrote: post #223
jefe_ wrote: post #185

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Similar thing would happen in my Toyota, the song 'Afraid' by Yellowcard would play every time I turned on the car. Realized it was playing the first song in my library. In Apple Music there is a song called 'A a a a a Very Good Song (Silent Track)' by artist Samir Mezrahi, that contains 10 minutes of silence. I added that to my library and now that song plays when I turn on my car (although this autoplay only happen…

I created a one-hour long silent MP3 and named it similarly and added it to my phone. I've sent it to a friend who uses it as well.

I have a script (simple ffmpeg wrapper) to generate silent mp3 files:

https://github.com/marbu/scriptpile/blob/master/silence.sh

I'm not quite sure what I needed that for anymore, but I find it interesting that there are such weird use cases for this.

Re: Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades

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Post by kortex »

dingleberry420 wrote: post #235
blackhaz wrote: post #91

My car (Lexus) and my iPhone X: The car detects iPhone presence, like, 50% of the time. If it does detect it, it shows me a couple of half-naked shaved guys hugging each other and begins playing "Songs of Innocence" the moment I turn the ignition on. I tried deleting this song from the iPhone, but it auto-magically restores itself somehow, as if it is in the telephone's firmware. The image of men hugging in shade is…

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I don't think it's intended to be homophobic. The album art is just really cringey.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songs_of_Innocence_(U2_album...

Re: Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades

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Post by ycombinete »

seer wrote: post #192
blackhaz wrote: post #91

My car (Lexus) and my iPhone X: The car detects iPhone presence, like, 50% of the time. If it does detect it, it shows me a couple of half-naked shaved guys hugging each other and begins playing "Songs of Innocence" the moment I turn the ignition on. I tried deleting this song from the iPhone, but it auto-magically restores itself somehow, as if it is in the telephone's firmware. The image of men hugging in shade is…

The general idea I think is that once you start the car, it just send a play command the moment it detects the connection. And in theory it _can_ provide a really nice experience. For example I'm walking to my car listening to an audio book, the moment I start the car, BT is connecting to the phone and moves the audio playback from my AirPods to my car speaker without skipping a beat, its really impressive. Additiona…

My fathers android does the same thing with YouTube music

Re: Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades

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Post by dingleberry420 »

kortex wrote: post #244
dingleberry420 wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I don't think it's intended to be homophobic. The album art is just really cringey. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songs_of_Innocence_(U2_album...

Alright, having seen it, fair enough.

Re: Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades

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Post by osigurdson »

aliqot wrote: post #183
ricardobayes wrote: post #166

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I sometimes wonder what the world would be like without FAANG. I'm lead to believe the world would be a better place if all companies would have a max company size of Bose, or Sennheiser. Then no stupid decisions could be pushed through by force, like the removal of the 3.5 mm jack. If the market really wants it, they will eventually vote with their wallet. Same goes with social media, fb killed off local country-spe…

The market wants what the other segment of the market has, that's the purpose of marketing. Phones with no jacks, like laptops with no i/o, is something impractical that people self-justify because of the logo and the clout it affords. You're part of the in group, you made it, you have achieved sameness, you have an iPhone . Airpods are just about the worst headphones money can buy and people fight over them, despite…

The thing I never liked about Airpods is, instead of having one thing that is hard to lose, we now have three easy to lose things.

Re: Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades

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Post by jader201 »

blackhaz wrote: post #91

My car (Lexus) and my iPhone X: The car detects iPhone presence, like, 50% of the time. If it does detect it, it shows me a couple of half-naked shaved guys hugging each other and begins playing "Songs of Innocence" the moment I turn the ignition on. I tried deleting this song from the iPhone, but it auto-magically restores itself somehow, as if it is in the telephone's firmware. The image of men hugging in shade is…

You’ve been able to delete the Music app for a while. If the U2 album is the first thing to play, it sounds like you may not use the Music app anyway.

Just delete it and problem solved (though agree with the general rage caused by this promotion).

Re: Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades

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Post by knorker »

meltyness wrote: post #225

This happens with all networking. The most well-funded companies oscillate between "trying to get ahead" by hacking in "whatever's next" and selling that to people and "just blowing off the spec" because they're not getting paid enough. This is a sedementary process because of whatever business-related adage stops them from rewriting their code. The next awful bit is what happens to the spec itself. We show up in Veg…

It happens with other things, but Bluetooth is not other things.

It doesn't need high speed. Just barely enough to get some audio through.

Bluetooth should have been perfected over a decade ago, and chips with perfect operation should be a commodity.

It's just not cutting edge, and shouldn't be.

Re: Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades

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Post by klyrs »

blackhaz wrote: post #91

My car (Lexus) and my iPhone X: The car detects iPhone presence, like, 50% of the time. If it does detect it, it shows me a couple of half-naked shaved guys hugging each other and begins playing "Songs of Innocence" the moment I turn the ignition on. I tried deleting this song from the iPhone, but it auto-magically restores itself somehow, as if it is in the telephone's firmware. The image of men hugging in shade is…

My girlfriend's phone automatically resumes in the middle of a podcast. Same spot, same podcast, every time. I had no idea how lucky we are.
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