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Looming natural gas shortages has the EU scrambling for solutions

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Re: Looming natural gas shortages has the EU scrambling for solutions

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Frankly, I think it's embarrassing that such a large part of Europe is still so dependent on natural gas. It's being portrayed as a problem now due to economics, but global warming and making yourself dependent on authoritarian regimes has been an issue for much longer than that. The switch should have happened much sooner, but I guess the money was always more important and Russian gas was cheap enough to forget about the external costs.

And it's not only about finding other energy sources, it's also about using the energy in a smarter way. Better insulated houses and heat pumps work well here in northern Europe, why hasn't this been a priority the last ten years at least?

I'm paying much more for my electricity now even though we hardly use any natural gas in this country, because we're exporting electricity to countries that do, driving up our prices. Their shortsightedness is costing me money and adding more CO2 to our atmosphere. If it was only because of the war in Ukraine I wouldn't mind as much, but come winter and millions of people in other countries are going to burn expensive Russian gas to heat poorly insulated houses leaking heat like a sieve.

Re: Looming natural gas shortages has the EU scrambling for solutions

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Solution #1 - we already tried that, we gave Putin Crimea in 2014, everything was chill for 7-8 years and now we have this mess. If we give him Donetsk and Luhansk, he'll just be back for more + Moldova in 5-6 years.

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Terrorizing in what sense? I'm pretty fluent in the region, and read Ukrainian and Russian news, but I've never seen any evidence beyond the laws promoting Ukrainian language. That's pretty far from terror imo

Re: Looming natural gas shortages has the EU scrambling for solutions

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https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactor... I'm on the fence about an all electric future- we simply don't have the grid capacity in most parts of the world - but the Germans and French who control the EU should have been developing SMNR years ago. They are now in an energy checkmate situation with a hostile country with an economy the size of Italy. Not clever,

I don't think it's fair to blame France, they have long been pushing for nuclear as evidenced by their energy sources being hugely reliant on domestic nuclear rather than foreign energy. It's really been the German greens hellbent on holding back nuclear across the EU.

> on domestic nuclear rather than foreign energy

What a statement.

> It's really been the German greens hellbent on holding back nuclear across the EU

The German Greens, stalling investments into nuclear energy across the world. A powerful cabal.

Re: Looming natural gas shortages has the EU scrambling for solutions

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Fun fact: Nearly all gas turbine power stations can also run on oil. Oil is usually a backup method in case the gas supply is disrupted, but it is possible for them to run on oil continuously. The exact oil type required differs, but some can use Diesel/Petrol/Kerosene/ethanol/hydrogen or sometimes even unrefined crude oil. With gas prices so high, many are already running on oil, and that's part of the reason Diesel…

Not really true. Liquid fuels are much dirtier and reduce the lifespan or time between maintenances a lot. It’s used only as an emergency.

Is this not an emergency?

Re: Looming natural gas shortages has the EU scrambling for solutions

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As a Ukrainian, I sincerely thank you for writing this. It is often disheartening to see how many people of HN don't realise what is happening (and, frankly, has been happening for 8 years) and then read cold opinions devoid of empathy. What is the compromise when the other side's goal is extermination?

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Empathy is what distinguishes us from being just angry monkeys. But then, there are of course very selfish goals like long-term survival and freedom to live as you like outside of yet another authoritarian prison of nations. Which would be less likely for at least a significant part of Europe should most not care now.

Re: Looming natural gas shortages has the EU scrambling for solutions

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As a Ukrainian, I sincerely thank you for writing this. It is often disheartening to see how many people of HN don't realise what is happening (and, frankly, has been happening for 8 years) and then read cold opinions devoid of empathy. What is the compromise when the other side's goal is extermination?

I don't see the goal being extermination at all. If that were the case the tactics used would be much different. Control, integration, subjugation, colonization, there are a lot of other words that are more fitting without the "genocide" hyperbole.

They killed most of the population of Mariupol that wasn't able to flee, shell civilians continuously, have deported millions of Ukrainians to Russia so far where children are taken apart from their parents and the parents are taken to "filtration camps" where many are shot and the rest relocated to the Far East.

On top of the rhetoric that Ukrainians as a people shouldn't exist.

There is no doubt that it is genocide and termination.

Re: Looming natural gas shortages has the EU scrambling for solutions

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Break out the coal, boys. It's not like the US is in any way trying to be green. Honestly, China is Earth's best shot at climate change.

China is 1) Not self sufficient, they have to import food from the US 2) Burning nearly a million more cubic feet of coal per capita than the US does (and they have way more people, so that means they're really burning far far more coal) Honestly I'm not sure how you thought that made any sense. EDIT: (out of comment quota) >China also installs more renewables than anyone else I'm sure that's great for the companies…

China also installs more renewables than anyone else

Re: Looming natural gas shortages has the EU scrambling for solutions

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post #190

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As a Ukrainian, I sincerely thank you for writing this. It is often disheartening to see how many people of HN don't realise what is happening (and, frankly, has been happening for 8 years) and then read cold opinions devoid of empathy. What is the compromise when the other side's goal is extermination?

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Ah, but if we don't care about Ukraine, why would we care about your country?

Re: Looming natural gas shortages has the EU scrambling for solutions

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I am with ya there. But the Germans populace have been thoroughly brain-washed that nuclear is bad. So, better just to tell them : "its bad, but needed because we are in a war."

It is absurd that we're having "energy crisis" when we have the technological know-how to build nuclear energy, literally a solved problem.

Also before anyone talks about fuel: Australia is right here. We have a bonkers amount of Uranium in the ground, to the point that our coal is actually pretty dang radioactive.

Re: Looming natural gas shortages has the EU scrambling for solutions

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We can do without energy from a rough state. We have 1-2 hard years ahead but I believe Europe will rebound stronger. It made no sense to have such close relationships with someone like Putin or be so dependent on fossil fuels. I take it as an opportunity for Europe and the whole world.

1-2 hard years? Do you understand how long the infrastructure for the transition takes to plan, sign off on & build?

The article mentions a new LPG terminal by the end of the year.

This are the gas future prices from tomputer's comment [1],[2]:

Q4 22 166.570

Q4 23 114.925

Q4 24 74.050

The industry doesn't seem to expect continuously high prices.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32109948

[2] https://www.theice.com/products/27996665/Dutch-TTF-Gas-Futur...

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