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Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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Post by nvahalik »

TrisMcC wrote: post #218
sph wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what I meant with my comment. Of all the things you need the most to LIVE, it's protein and fats, not carbohydrates. Energy is the least of one's problem on a super restrictive diet like this one, but having the building blocks for muscles and cells and hormones is the literally vital. There are trace amounts of fats and proteins in potatoes, not enough to sustain life long term. Enjoy having boundless energy,…

Potatoes have protein and fats. Enough protein and fats for fat-soluble vitamins and preventing dying of protein malnutrition. Potatoes are not just carbs. No libido? I'd like to see the source of that claim. The western world has become "addicted" to protein and the claims on how much is necessary and recommended are extremely exaggerated.

They have about 9x more carbs than fat.

If you are eating Yukon gold potatoes, and you ate 5 pounds of them, and according to my calculations you are looking at approximately 2100 kcal of which a little less than 1900 of those calories comes from carbohydrates.

We advise people not to go below 50 g of fat per day and according to the macros for Yukon Gold you wouldn’t even be getting a 10th of that amount.

Additionally, you’re only getting about 50 g of protein. We normally coach people to eat 1 g of protein per pound of lean muscle mass. So for 150 pound person that would be 150 g of protein per day or approximately 600 cal from protein.

Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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Post by coldtea »

jsiaajdsdaa wrote: post #79
safety1st wrote: post #30

There's actually some science behind this diet. Potatoes are the highest scoring food on the satiety index. https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/15-incredibly-filling-f... Basically they're the most filling food per calorie. So if you subscribe to the idea that losing weight is mainly about how many calories you consume, a potato heavy diet should be effective. And an all potato diet, while monomaniacal, even more ef…

Satiety is a mental construct. I've been underweight, normal weight, and overweight in my life. What your brain tells you to put in your stomach is almost entirely divorced from nutritional requirements for thriving and surviving. The only way to be exceptionally healthy and thin is to ignore the urge to overeat, and this urge is extremely dynamic on a per human basis. As a result, some people out there will eat a ca…

>Satiety is a mental construct.

Yeah, just not according to science.

E.g. there's ghrelin, cholecystokinin and other "satiety signals".

Except if you mean "satiefy is a mental construct" the same way pain is a mental construct. In which case, in a Kantian way, everything is, including space and time.

>What your brain tells you to put in your stomach is almost entirely divorced from nutritional requirements for thriving and surviving.

(a) You'd be surprised.

(b) It only appears that way because we have diverged in a exteremely small span of time (evolutionary speaking) into completely different circumstances and food availability.

Otherwise, what the brain tells us is very much based on nutritional requirements for thriving and surviving.

It's just that in 2022 we have an endless supply of food we can just order or walk into a supermarket and buy, as opposed to food scarcity where we don't know if we will be able to find something to hunt tomorrow - like the last 100,000 of thousands of years before historical times (and millions of years considering our primate ancestors)...

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Post by aantix »

JamesBarney wrote: post #50

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Mounjaro (tirzepatide) has also now been approved.

And it works slightly better than semaglutide.

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Post by stjohnswarts »

safety1st wrote: post #30

There's actually some science behind this diet. Potatoes are the highest scoring food on the satiety index. https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/15-incredibly-filling-f... Basically they're the most filling food per calorie. So if you subscribe to the idea that losing weight is mainly about how many calories you consume, a potato heavy diet should be effective. And an all potato diet, while monomaniacal, even more ef…

Eggs are definitely my goto on a calorie controlled keto diet. Obviously potatoes are out of the question :) . They are simply awful for people who prediabetic or think they have metabolic syndrome; not as bad as white bread or sugar but bad.

Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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Post by stjohnswarts »

jsiaajdsdaa wrote: post #79
safety1st wrote: post #30

There's actually some science behind this diet. Potatoes are the highest scoring food on the satiety index. https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/15-incredibly-filling-f... Basically they're the most filling food per calorie. So if you subscribe to the idea that losing weight is mainly about how many calories you consume, a potato heavy diet should be effective. And an all potato diet, while monomaniacal, even more ef…

Satiety is a mental construct. I've been underweight, normal weight, and overweight in my life. What your brain tells you to put in your stomach is almost entirely divorced from nutritional requirements for thriving and surviving. The only way to be exceptionally healthy and thin is to ignore the urge to overeat, and this urge is extremely dynamic on a per human basis. As a result, some people out there will eat a ca…

This is bro science. Sorry dude. Caloric intake matter because in the end it is CICO. However, there are foods that absolutely make you feel full quicker and for a longer period of time and that matters as much as calories because if you can't fight off the hunger because your diet is primarily white bread and doritos as opposed to healthy fats , greens, and proteins then calories won't matter because you will 100% fail because of cravings.

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Post by tigertigertiger »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #93

As I'm reading others' comments on here I'm shocked at the seemingly uneducated state of comments, I blame "influencers" and the fitness industry for spreading so much FUD + absolute nonsense. Most of them patterned like "I lost x lbs on Y diet, and you should too". I'm shocked at how few people realize that diets equated for protein + fiber are essentially identical. I highly recommend Layne Norton's book Fat loss f…

Crazy that I had to scroll this far to read this. This diet is crazy good at losing muscle mass. Atleast you can lose kg at doubled speed.

Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

csours wrote: post #238
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Culture has a HUGE impact on psychology. I would agree with that in general, but hunger seems like such an incredibly old issue to deal with from evolutionary perspective. Managing hunger is something "we" have been doing for millions of years and it has always been at the very center of our survival as a species. The idea that a cultural group could lose its ability to deal with such a key psychological and biologi…

> The idea that a cultural group could lose its ability to deal with such a key psychological and biological necessity in a short period of time just seems far less likely to me than a change in habits brought about by industrial and socio-economic circumstances. But those industrial and socio-economic circumstances also had a huge impact on culture! It's super complicated! I am not strongly anti-capitalist, but cons…

Well, exactly, but would you really describe these cultural changes as a disease of managing hunger on an individual psychological level (which is how I understood the term)?

If something like what you're describing is going on then our psychological ability to manage hunger hasn't changed at all. Other things have changed, which is my whole point.

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Post by GordonS »

jaggederest wrote: post #170
GordonS wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems highly unlikely to me. I have reactive hypoglycemia, and can say that potatoes spike my blood glucose levels more than table sugar - they have a really high glycemic index, and anyone with blood sugar issues should totally avoid them IMO. And the thing about foods with a high glycemic index is that they cause you to feel hungry when your blood sugar rapidly drops back to baseline. I find protein and fat wa…

I also have reactive hypoglycemia and I tried the potato diet out and had zero crashes the entire time. It's just not possible (for me) to eat enough calories, quickly enough, to cause a crash. I was only on it for a few days (~5), precisely for the logistic issues that the article and the original diet post discuss - I couldn't cook and eat enough calories to not be absolutely starving after the first couple days. B…

Strange, potatoes can spike and crash my blood sugar faster than anything else. I haven't eaten mashed potato in a decade or so, but IIRC it only took half an hour or so before I was trembling, sweating, feeling very anxious and fearful, and having a strong desire to eat sugar. Not long after I'd become progressively more confused, and sometimes aggressive.

I know 2 T1 diabetics, and both never touch potatoes because of the GI.

Can I ask how you deal with your reactive hypoglycemia? I switched to keto a long time ago, which took me from having hypos multiple times a day to never. But often in late afternoon I start feeling some mild hypo symptoms, even though my blood glucose is stable.

Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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Post by simplify »

jsiaajdsdaa wrote: post #79
safety1st wrote: post #30

There's actually some science behind this diet. Potatoes are the highest scoring food on the satiety index. https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/15-incredibly-filling-f... Basically they're the most filling food per calorie. So if you subscribe to the idea that losing weight is mainly about how many calories you consume, a potato heavy diet should be effective. And an all potato diet, while monomaniacal, even more ef…

Satiety is a mental construct. I've been underweight, normal weight, and overweight in my life. What your brain tells you to put in your stomach is almost entirely divorced from nutritional requirements for thriving and surviving. The only way to be exceptionally healthy and thin is to ignore the urge to overeat, and this urge is extremely dynamic on a per human basis. As a result, some people out there will eat a ca…

If you mean "mental" as in "not based on reality", then no, that's wrong.

However, it is true that your hunger urges are not solely based on thriving and surviving, but also significantly on the current state of your gut bacteria, which is highly influenced by diet and stress. They say the gut is a second brain for good reason.

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Post by memcg »

jasonwatkinspdx wrote: post #137
safety1st wrote: post #30

There's actually some science behind this diet. Potatoes are the highest scoring food on the satiety index. https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/15-incredibly-filling-f... Basically they're the most filling food per calorie. So if you subscribe to the idea that losing weight is mainly about how many calories you consume, a potato heavy diet should be effective. And an all potato diet, while monomaniacal, even more ef…

A couple years back I tried making colecanon due to a random suggestion from a friend. It's just mashed potatoes mixed with cabbage or kale or such, seasoned as you like. I do a version where I brown the cabbage in butter first. I was surprised just how satisfying a plate of it as a meal, and thought exactly the same thing: I'm pretty sure you could live on that stuff indefinitely and be in great shape.

I love colecanon. Mine has skin on boiled and mashed potatoes (any type or a mix), lots of butter, full fat whole milk greek yogurt and chopped cooked kale. My family loves it hot or cold. Add a few more spices and a little mustard, and I serve it as potato salad to my mayo hating in-laws.
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